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by fleet16b
Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:00 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

85B4BF7B-61C1-485B-B7B7-A3203A37B31B.jpeg Here is the Checklist for the Tutor It confirms the Zoom maneuver but says nothing about low key / turn back to try for the runway That checklist is many years out of date. The engine doesn’t go to idle. However, neither in the new one nor in any checklist ...
by fleet16b
Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:59 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

Where exactly am I blaming anyone ? Here This was a totally avoidable had he have followed the rules . The investigation will at some point address this turn back decision Gannet167 Yes I guess I did say that I’m big enough to say that I’m obviously wrong. My apologies to anyone I have offended Now...
by fleet16b
Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:15 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

Yes it was a two ship formation so it’s understandable that avoiding the other aircraft would be a priority however the right side aircraft was well clear by the top of the zone and was in no way a threat. But as #2 was blind to his leader, he had no way of knowing where his leader was. All he knew...
by fleet16b
Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:13 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

Nobody blamed anyone or came to any foreigner conclusions as to what happened. Well, you did: It’s pretty obvious that he tried to make it back and stall spun instead . This was a totally avoidable had he have followed the rules . Further , GA , Airline , ultralight, Military , it doesn’t matter ou...
by fleet16b
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:31 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

:| This talk about what the PF should have or should not have or could or could not have done is getting on my nerves. Nobody gets to be a Snowbird pilot without having proven to be one of the finest among us. That means they not only know how to take off an wobble around a pattern on a Sunday morni...
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:05 pm
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

85B4BF7B-61C1-485B-B7B7-A3203A37B31B.jpeg Here is the Checklist for the Tutor It confirms the Zoom maneuver but says nothing about low key / turn back to try for the runway Attached is the instructions in the How-to-Fly manual describing what to do, Forced-Landing from the Traffic Pattern. Note: th...
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:04 pm
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

There is precedent. 31 May 1976, CT114028 dual fatal, bird strike. Here's a synopsis.. "Shortly after take-off from the Regina airport, the aircraft flew through a flock of birds at approximately 600 to 800 feet above ground level (AGL) and a bird was ingested, causing an engine failure. The crew tu...
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:57 pm
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

85B4BF7B-61C1-485B-B7B7-A3203A37B31B.jpeg
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Here is the Checklist for the Tutor
It confirms the Zoom maneuver but says nothing about low key / turn back to try for the runway
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:29 pm
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

Thankfully the tutor didn’t continue straight ahead, resulting in ejecting into the city. Ahhhh....? I can see how some amount of "zoom" has merit, following an EFATO, yes, trade reserve energy for altitude, and thinking time. That said, and even more relevant to airplanes which don't store energy ...
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:43 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

I don't know off hand. However, the general concept is speed is life. Ignoring obstacle clearance IMC, the faster the better as it provides more energy - to climb, turn to low key, turn away from things etc using a moderate amount of g. Most jets climb relatively shallow to build speed. Many use AB...
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:02 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

Gannet167 Thank you for the responses I have a question. What is the standard climb rate for the Tutor on takeoff In the video and on the close to 100 times I’ve seen the snowbird shows , they appear to always do shallow climb outs Now I understand doing that in a show to keep thing close for the cr...
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:54 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

Would it no have been part of the SOP that the right aircraft clear of the aircraft in trouble and stay well clear ? It certainly appears that they did that In the midst of handling this entire event, what you're suggesting requires that 2 radio lead to coordinate staying clear. There's no time to ...
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:27 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

frosti wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:12 am Those questioning why he turned back...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2zB7Z-b6Kc

Very similar, but no neighbourhoods to worry about there. Also didn't seem to stall the aircraft during the turn.
An interesting video and it shows that he did not make it back to the runway either
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:55 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

Nobody? So, nobody in your group of non-military friends with no formation experience. How about the dozen or so military or military-aware people here on AvCanada who all say this is SOP? Yes some , not all of the military guys have stated that I have requested someone post the SOP so that we may ...
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:49 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

Yes some , not all of the military guys have stated that I have requested someone post the SOP so that we may all see it but nobody has come forward with said SOP I doubt you'd find it written anywhere except possibly a basic formation briefing. But you can take it as fact from a former CF-18 pilot...
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:07 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

Nobody I’ve spoken to about this incident can understand why he would’ve turned left... Nobody? So, nobody in your group of non-military friends with no formation experience. How about the dozen or so military or military-aware people here on AvCanada who all say this is SOP? Yes some , not all of ...
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:51 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

In typical fashion, you're arguing just to argue. I'm stating some details that agree with the gentlemen on here that have military experience, and you're saying I can't say the sky is blue because I'm not a meteorologist. I never suggested any deep knowledge, weird opinions, or anything that's not...
by fleet16b
Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:23 am
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

I don't understand this debate. It seems very basic to me. 1. A turnback following an engine failure at 200 feet is a bad idea. 2. A turnback following an engine failure at 1500 feet is not a bad idea. 3. A tutor has enough extra energy at 200 feet to zoom climb to 1500 following a failure. 4. See ...
by fleet16b
Sun May 31, 2020 4:22 pm
Forum: Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft
Topic: Snowbird crash in CYKA
Replies: 235
Views: 20687

Re: Snowbird crash in CYKA

Thats contrary to all flight training anyone I know has ever heard of This is called an argument from ignorance fallacy. Translates to: I can’t think of why it would be that way, therefore it can’t be that way. From an outsider perspective who has flown light, commuter and commercial airliners but ...

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