AC doesn’t want to fix Jazz’ staffing issues. Jazz doesn’t want to fix Jazz’ staffing issues. They seem content to keep shrinking until there’s nothing left.

Then what?

Bede has given some solid advice here, and some examples to back up what he’s saying, but truedude you continue to live in a fantasy world where you believe this S.35 nonsense has a chance. Actually, scratch that. You acknowledge that it has little chance of success (congratulations to you for attem...

True dude, Bede is giving you sound advice. It may not be what you want to hear, but facts are facts. Nobody is denying that Jazz pilots got screwed. The unfortunate truth, however, is that in this instance, there really is no viable remedy. Sometimes life isn’t fair, sometimes the big corporations ...

It’s not defeatist to throw in the towel at this point. There’s no point in wasting all of that time and money. It’s a bit of a moot point, as ALPA National won’t pursue it anyway, but you’d have better luck if you regroup, and go after a grievance against the company for the guys who got screwed on...

Just give it a rest already. Don’t waste anymore money on this. People who don't work at Jazz don't get to tell pilots how to proceed. Amd that so many who don't work at Jazz are working so hard to convince us not to do it, tells me we absolutely should! It’s just going to waste time and money, the...

Just give it a rest already. Don’t waste anymore money on this.

1200 views in this thread and only 78 votes. Trying to stir up controversy and failing miserably when nobody took the bait.

This blew up in the OP's face in spectacular fashion.

What’s the point? Won’t change anything. Waste of time.

Nothing will come of it.

PML type agreements ultimately put downward pressure on Jazz wages. PML 1.0 ended up a mess with all the deferred seniority. Even ACPA learned the lesson, deferred seniority no more. You had Jazz guys not deferring bitter that they were 100+ numbers behind an OTS guy joining on the same day, then l...

Fan blade, I usually get where you’re coming from on most of your posts, but comparing Jazz pilots to an angry, cornered dog is a bit of a stretch. A tiny puppy with no teeth maybe. The JAZ pilots have but one arrow left in their quiver, and it’s got an astronomical chance of gaining any traction. U...

That guy needs to find another hobby. Or maybe stick to a 152.

I'm just glad this whole fiasco is finally over with and the issue can be put to rest, once and for all. Time to focus on the next round of negotiations, and improving the profession as a whole for all pilots in Canada no matter which carrier they work for. Are you happy that 285 of your ex-colleag...

I'm just glad this whole fiasco is finally over with and the issue can be put to rest, once and for all. Time to focus on the next round of negotiations, and improving the profession as a whole for all pilots in Canada no matter which carrier they work for.

Just came here to see if truedude was still trying to convince himself that there was some windfall gains to be made. Was not disappointed.

Who needs a new base? isn't that what the Jazz LIMO is for?

The YVR base is super senior. There's a good reason for that, but they also just reduced the 737 and 320 in YVR and expanded the 220 base. Count on 6-9 months.

cdnavater wrote: ↑Mon Oct 27, 2025 10:48 pm Since you have no argument, I’ll remind you, you guys also voted for an agreement that other than pay sounds pretty shitty, glass houses dude!

I voted no.

You're hilarious. Jazz pilots go after AC pilots' seniority, file law suits against individual Air Canada pilots even, run it through the courts for 15 years, lose, then go start it all over again with another attempt to go after AC pilots' seniority 2 different ways. Then the Jazz pilot gets all b...

I do believe Jazz pilots have a case against AC, but using the premise of common employer to try and seek resolution is laughable. Your own union is squandering the opportunity for restitution right in front of the entire pilot group. This is much bigger than "the 285." I'll try and give you an anao...

I usually do the logbook prior to departure. It makes it much easier for me to watch over FO's and tell them things like "the company doesn't like it when..." and "we aren't supposed to use that mode". With acars uplinking times right to the maintenance control software, the paper version is just t...

I read the submission. It wasn't very strong at all. A lot of cheat beating, but nothing substantial. What specifically did you disagree with? Doesn't it explicitly state that it supports the Jazz pilots ULP but disagrees that a merger is the appropriate remedy? It was a couple pages of AC MEC stat...

ACA MEC submitted 143 pages of precedent where previous petitions for common employer were not upheld. Many examples of which far more egregious than JAZ’ submission. Truedude is right, the CIRB will rule based on law, and any previously set precedents. Unfortunately for this ULP, the law is stacke...

I try and get the logbook done well below 10,000’ that way I can monitor things like this much better.

What’s with that paint job?