Can RPs still fly til they die? :rolleyes: Good question - Parliament giveth and Aviation taketh away. If RP's can't fly then a couple of big items come rocketing to the front page like a spooked horse. 1. There will likely be a gold rush on the highest paying seats regardless of base, in order of ...

It does bring up an interesting question though, why don't unions do random polls of their membership on issues like this to determine what the membership actually wants. Oh? You aren't aware they did? For the last negots an outside company was soursed. How do i know? I got a call. Most of it wage ...

I am not an AC pilot. Fanblade, was this a poll? It sounds like it was a vote that everyone was open to vote to. If so then that's different from a poll of a random section of a population. Yes you can get results from random polls that show the opinion of a group, but it has to be random. There is...

What was the question in IVR 72? If I recall it wasn't a call to defend mandatory retirement to the bitter end. The fix was in on this vote long before it ever saw the light of day. The MEC sat down and decided the outcome well before it was presented to the membership. Instead of taking a methodic...

Fanblade Your questions: A large enough cross section participated for a reasonable individual to determine that 75%, +/- a small margin of error, were in favor of maintaining the practice. No one with any credibility, would read the vote otherwise while trying to determine support for either direc...

regardless, few thousands bucks more or less, these guys are retiring with more net income then majority of line captains are taking home today in Canada. I said it before and I say it today again....greed of the humanity is what will bring the end of our civilization. The "democratic" rights of mi...

I had an MEC member, tell me to my face, as I was bitching about the indexing etc, that the younger pilots at acpa mec did not need the indexing at their stage in life.....they did not require it, and they fully expected to be able to renegotiate the indexing back in, over the next 10 years. As as ...

ACPA's financial impact study was also based on every pilot on the list moving up to the next higher paying position they could hold the minute they were able to hold it, and the numbers were recalculated top to bottom with every single retirement. We all know only a small fraction of pilots actual...

In our industry it is called a gross error check. Isolate a single outcome and check it for reasonableness. The charts look reasonable to me. Your FOM directs you to do this so that you DO NOT simply make an assumption that the fuel load is accurate. The process is meant to AVOID bias from influenc...

and essentially the lone holdout is a group of junior pilots at AC, and nowhere else. We are SO over it and I'm not sure why ACPA and AC aren't either. :prayer: Above the law they are! :prayer: Accumulous, Noregianwoord, Teacher; mandatory retirement no longer exists at Air Canada, your statements ...

a)Those that have the ~300K/yr part-time job will now enjoy it until they...um, can't b)Those that were "forced" to leave said position as agreed upon are so, so angry. c)Those that have to wait longer now just wish those in a) and b) would finally admit it's all about the money. We might actually ...

Here's a simple fix for this mess: It seems everything, especially at Air Canada, seems to clasp on to the term "Grandfather Clause". So just ask yourself this; when you were hired, what was the retirement age understood when you accepted your new career? If it was 60, then the grandfather clause t...

In a sense, therefore, it is difficult to assimilate how a regime already favouring older workers would be described as discriminatory because at age 60 it cut off the continuation of that generous situation. Termination at that age was intrinsic to the functioning of the collective agreement which...

Just a couple of honest questions; !. Why would anyone want to stay on past 60 when you have a nice pension (now in surplus...) waiting for you when you walk out the door? 2. Why not spend the time and capital to negotiate an incentive for early retirement? 3. If the pilot group came up with a rota...

In a sense, therefore, it is difficult to assimilate how a regime already favouring older workers would be described as discriminatory because at age 60 it cut off the continuation of that generous situation. Termination at that age was intrinsic to the functioning of the collective agreement which...

What I would really like to see happen if these guys get to come back is in 2016 we look at the whole way we are getting paid and change it. How about flatten the entire pay scale out. With guys coming back in from above to ride the surf earning 275k a year working 8 days a month (summers off) whil...

Why did you put an illegal age 60 submission in, when this was a take it or leave it choice for the arbitrator? This alone guaranteed ACPA's submission would fail. Reading through the FOS papers before they hit the table, it wasn’t incompetence that struck a chord, it was incontinence. A complete i...

Has anyone else heard the scuttlebutt that AC may be making an offer for Transair and bringing their aircraft, pilots and staff into Rouge? I assume you mean Air Transat. With what money? Would make sense - Transat is already feeling the pinch and has been into proactive trimming - AC Corp has the ...

RB211 wrote:Umm, what is 'nav-aid pay'?

With all due respect, you guys first need to be asking ACPA if it is suitable to be posting contract pay information like that on a public forum.

FlyGy wrote:Sprite is a subclass of NOTHING!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!

If I order a Coke and get a Pepsi I'd sue for a half million dollars too.

First of all you'd have to specifically order a Coca-Cola, and now you'd only get 3 Grand.

“At 11:46 a.m., the flight attendant came by and asked my wife and me, ‘Anything to drink folks?’ Lynda said, “Rien merci” [No, thank you]. I told her “ Je vais prendre un 7Up s.v.p .” [I would like a 7Up, please]. She served me a Sprite.” So they ordered 7Up in English and got a Sprite and 3 Grand?...

The issue isn't the $55 per person it's the $5 million given to 1 while 1000s are being told they need to take a pay cut. As for EMJ pay at other airlines I don't see US regional wages anytime soon, especially at Jazz. Skyregional wages would be less than us but not $17Gs. Actually no, there's that...

That monumental exercise in rocket science was prefaced by blowing a massive wad on our trans-continental Ad program screaming that the CEO earned a 5 mil retention bonus. Well hello, that's roughly $55 per employee per year, for steering everybody through CCAA and a subsequently similar 2009 brush...

If that were the case, it would contradict their popularity throughout North America. Nothing will ever be perfect. It's looking like ACPA will not be operating them much longer though. On a CCAA filing ACPA may lose them. The free-for-all would drive the wage to the cellar. As I said in another th...

So you believe AC will not have any aircraft in its fleet between 90 - 146 Seats? I think even entertaining that idea is ridiculous. It is ridiculous - that would presume that the airline had folded and was broken up wouldn't it? You have to maintain a feeder network somehow. As suggested, you woul...