If the rotations are 10/5 I hope the duty days are under 10 hrs/day... You mean, you don't work there? You sounded like the chief advocate. :bear: :bear: Nope sure don't. I don't want to say where I work. This account is getting deleted soon. I am a strong advocate for ramp-flying programs, they ar...

Fl767 Please share with us ANY dash 8 operator where fo's make 96k let alone 135k. Now that said our wowcon at encore is a work in progress. But that's not the topic here is it. Jazz yr 6 FO: $61/credit hour, 77.5 min, max 16 days/month in 2012. $61 x 77.5 = $4,727.50 / month = $56,730/yr Source Ca...

If the rotations are 10/5 I hope the duty days are under 10 hrs/day...

Will migrate? Its already in full swing with Encore, Sky, and GGN. Then companies that pay well are importing pilots. Welcome to Canadian aviation, and in 5 years from now it will be much much much worse. One profession - one union. Why would anybody expect a different result with so many different...

I've been here over 6 years. Your looking at a decade or more for an upgrade now (and that's a guess). I know 3 year fo's that have made in excess of 100k but that's t4 so it factors in everything. I myself made 135k but again that's all in (very little ot). What is hard to quantify is the lifestyl...

[quote="Diadem] After six months of unemployment, I realized that there were no jobs available, whatsoever, and that walking into a cockpit wasn't going to happen; even getting a ramp job that would lead to a flying position was pretty much impossible. Needing to buy groceries and have accommodation...

All good points;

Teeg, what do Dispatchers make a month (on average) at TA?

Some one else; what is the going monthly pay for an 'average' new class 4 flight instructor?

Well folks, maybe things have changed in the last few decades, but theres essentially 3 ways to start a aviation career in Canada in 2014; A) Go to college get good grades, kiss a little ass and get into a Jazz/Georgian type program B) Become a 200 hr flight instructor and live out a top-gun fantasy...

Any way, this thread is about Thunder Air, where they fly King Air's under 703, although I don't know much about this operation I assume loading, fueling and de-icing is part of being a pilot there. Any current Pilots at Thunder Air care to comment? I'd like to hear more about this operation from an...

[quote="Brown Bear] The RIGHT seat IS starting at the bottom! We are talking PILOTS here......pretty sure pilots fly airplanes. You could check the definition in Webster's......if you can actually read. :bear: :bear:[/quote] Well son, seems like we subscribe to two different schools of thought on pi...

jpilot77 wrote:

Fair enough, but how many doctors do you see mopping the floor of the hospital?

Probably none, but its all relative;

Load plane ---> then fly plane

Prep for/assist with surgery ----> then do surgery

In 'normal' industries its normal to start on the bottom and work up. Years ago I had a buddy who was a carpenter, spent his first month moving plywood around and cleaning up, he certainly wasn't framing houses with no supervision right away. How many doctors start cutting up patience in surgery the...

Oh and stay away from Piloting, our careers are pretty f**ked up....

Unless you caught the "Flying bug" and if so, go see a doctor and not a flight instructor like I did!

Flight dispatching is not for every one, and you won't know if your a good fit unless you do it. Your experience will vary wildly depending on which operator you work for. Expect to start for a small carrier then work your way into a big airline. Life as a dispatcher for AC/WestJet/AT/Porter is bett...

Nothing to do about being to dense to fly a airplane, a year on the ground will make you a worse pilot - but a better employee. -Hire direct entry right seat instructor, you run a risk of hiring some douche that's going to bail as soon as shiny tin comes along. -Hire for the ground, let them learn t...

Nearly everyone (nearly) who takes a entry level job like this that has 500 hrs, is an instructor. Chief pilots like the idea of hiring instructors because their PIC time means a quick upgrade, but its rarely happens like that. In my current company and my old company, I've seen instructors come and...

2010... Let's see how bad we can make the books look so we can screw over all union groups during negotions. 2011...Complain to government that we can't get what we want from the employees. 2012...The government tells employees take it or leave it. In the end, air canada gets what it wants. Then by...

Valid commentary, complex. Encore is similar to call-center operations in that it(call-center employment) is a revolving door. They pay in the vicinity of $10-13 per hour and throw in some very basic employee benefit package. Encore MGT probably understands when things open up - and it will, pilots...

One of the great tragedies of Aviation is that the "Pulp-mill workers" schedule of 4 on/4 off 12 hour shifts, one roation days one roation nights never worked for Medevacs. But if any Medevac company can make a predictable liveable schedule work, they will enjoy VERY slow pilot movement. Medevacs ar...

Signing bonuses are a great idea.

However this outfit has been posting for Captains every month for the last year... Maybe its time they up their WAWCON.

Well.. I do have an idea how to make this situation more fair; "Encore wages at Mainline" WestJet HR proved that they can fill Dash seats with $38/20, so they should have no trouble filling Boeing seats with the same pay. I mean who wouldn't want to fly heavy metal across North America - pay be damn...

FL767, Pilots get paid as a function of revenue they generate which is why wide body driver earn more than turboprop drivers. I'm not sure if it's right or wrong but for now that's the way it is. The other option would be to make the pay more equal across the industry- let's say, pay all captains $...

FL767, Well written post. You are correct that it is difficult to make a financial justification why we should pay 20000hr pilots significantly more than 4000hr pilots. By contrast, an experienced lawyer brings far more value to his client than a newer lawyer and can therefore charge 3x more. Very ...

Also why Northern flying still pays relatively well. Northern Canada still bombs around in turbo props from the 70's and 80's relying on full procedure approaches into ridiculous gravel runways. But if I can train a 200 hr pilot to fly with me and my King Air into places like "tuk-too-gofukyourself,...

All very good points, I find this to be an extremely interesting topic; Theres no debate, "a pilot becomes safer, more efficient and better with experience." However the point I am making is that CEO's of airlines the world over don't value this experience very much. My evidence for this is that yea...