I also find it hypocritical that pilots (assuming these posts are actually from pilots!) remonstrate Swoop's wages - that are similar to Sunwing and Transat B737 pay - yet they stay quiet about Air Canada's terrible "probationary" pay that lasts 4 lllooonnnggg years. That is the real anchor that ho...

Well you avoided any real conversation by saying “rhetoric aside”, I’m curious what are some positives about working at Swoop? Rhetoric aside, there is little difference and honestly, speaking of "sleeping in one's own bed" Sunwing has its own problems judging by recent overseas drafts and attrition...

Ah yes the “ESP and profit share” promise. Rumour has it, Swoop will be operating at a loss of 300 million dollars over the next 3-4 years. If you believe Swoop or even WJ mainline employees are going to share profit share, your dreaming. Also the executive says that our share price will only rise w...

Your telling me that WJ management doesn’t share any of the blame for the rocky relationship... Not a matter of who says what, but one can never really effect or demand a change in the opponent, but only oneself. Secondly, evidence seems to suggest that change has already been made in both people a...

The Tenth Man wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:14 am Greg. Relax. The world doesn't function according to your rules.

Is anybody else confused? If anyone can help me out, I would be grateful. Maybe send you a high five

cloak = demeter = china? I shouldn't be here, but I must correct the record. It is my suspicion that demeter and cloak are NOT the same people, and neither one of them are me. While I'm here, I want to address Greg G.'s post above where he said: "...your post is putting all the blame on the pilots ...

This is a simple fact and those that have been around for a while know that an employee group never achieves a great contract by antagonizing, posturing and other forceful tactics ending in arbitration. "Good" contracts have always been won by negotiations, sometimes painstakingly slow and methodic...

flyingsquirrelsuck , if one leaves union ideology behind (not accusing you of this), and examines things as they were, I believe the company had a legitimate concern in the air transportation market. If you consider the fact that even with Swoop's entry and Flair's presence, that Tim Morgan has sec...

John, wtf are refering ro the wjpa was trying to negioate 1 for 1 scope with swoop....I was under the impression they had no idea of its existence? Cloak, our ALPA negot team tried for over 9 months to do exactly what you said, negioate with managment who no showed them most of the time or would sh...

Hold on now. Let's not re-write history to favour how you felt things went down. Step 1: WestJet declares it will set up an ULCC arm. Step 2: WJPA and WJ engaged in high level talks at determining wages for the Swoop pilots. Parity between WJ and Swoop pilots was mentioned by the WJPA. WJ leadershi...

Because the level of Corporate Greed displayed by Westjet Management is disgusting. Westjet/Encore do something to try and get their WAWCON closer to some of the other competitors and Westjet decides to undercut them by creating this new piece of Swoop (look up Swoop in the Urban Dictionary). Now t...

What was the unity like under the company controlled WJPA like John?

Would we ever have had a 91% outcome on any vote?

This mess was created by Westjet and the BOD. The same group of people willing to shut down the airline over a pilot contract

Reserve was always coming with the advent of the 787. Timebank is a loophole that would have beeen closed anyways. WJ pushed hard for Arbitration right from the get go. Due to ALPA’s successful negotiations, thus far, they were able lock in YOS, Duty Rigs, and Swoop flying. Time will tell how well ...

Um, if you're fatigued, can't you just book off? What kind of companies are you guys working at that you can't book off if fatigued. Or is it something else that you prevents you from making the safe decision? When comparing Canada to USA rules, I think it helpful to recall that USA airlines, AFAIK...

Well, it has been a long time coming: the day when I got to say, I told you so, regarding the end of the WPDL (aka One List) in the event that ALPA certified, is almost here. As I just explained to Rezy , here , the WPDL is dead. We are just awaiting the funeral arrangements to be published. I spen...

WJ has a scope agreement with the pilots and broke that scope agreement to find cheaper labor Surely if WJ broke a scope agreement during the statutory freeze period, ALPA would have filed an Unfair Labour Practice complaint. They did not. Why not? It’s too hot to hike out of the canyon here in Twi...

And lets not forget the "Wing Suit" guy, who has been unusually quiet the last few days. I am sure he has notified management and the union that when the new contract is in place, he wants to work under the old wages, benefits, and work rules. After all, anyone so proud to have nothing to do with t...

ahramin wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 6:31 pm I would think the pilots hired for swoop will be given the option of joining the mainline.

You bet. Right seat on the Q400.

Read between the lines. They caved with pressure from the lockout and minister probably taking away the strike card. Where would we be if under the direction of the former WJPA Mr Demeter? Most of us flying Swoop aircraft for 40% less and working more days. No strike means the companies public imag...

Zaibatsu isn't wrong - one example is Sabena. They were on the verge of bankruptcy and there was a rescue plan in place - but it meant a 30% wage cut across the board. The Pilot's Union publicly stated that they'd rather see the doors close than accept a single penny in cuts (I saw it happen live o...