To steer things towards the original topic... any ideas on what the take home pay would be for YR 1 FO, after the new benefits package and different LTD options?

Not to thread hijack but instead of starting another one, along with the info OP requested, what is the hiring amounts/timeline for 2026? I'm guessing they're looking to start hiring again after the TA vote?

didn't they layoff 20 FO's this year? Assuming recalls were already done, how many actually came back, and how many FOs are they planning to hire? Nope there was ZERO layoffs this year. The company and the Union worked together to avoid any layoffs. Unfortunately there was two Captain Downgrades Ah...

didn't they layoff 20 FO's this year? Assuming recalls were already done, how many actually came back, and how many FOs are they planning to hire?

TA reached.. so what the deal is about? Pay scales somewhere between AC B767 & 737. Bunch of other improvements. Closer to the 767. Good deal considering the financial situation the company is in. WS and AC will get new contracts before it's our turn again. I saw the payscales and other QOL items a...

With all the contract violations it blows my mind people still apply here. There has to be better options… Seriously, it's time to move on... 58 Hell no, not until all the violations are settled. You would recommend people apply to this dumpster fire? While Jazz has it's problems, I can tell you it...

My guess is we will see the next round of hiring and upgrades closer to 2029 when the new 787s are due to arrive. Max deliveries appear to be mainly fleet replacements for aging NGs. I wouldn’t be surprised to see an occasional new hire class to replace FOs leaving for Porter and AC. Certainly if C...

They are legacies, you are not wrong there, albeit maybe the term legacy should be looked at with caveats, region dependent. But in the end yes it is to a large degree, subjective, and they all have their downsides. Like altiplano said, every individuals circumstances is different, and like I told ...

Just giving some context from what I can glean is all. US major and young enough, no brainer. Commuting from overseas, that sucks. Not into airline life, it is what it is. Go be a CA instead of an FO, sure. no one should be looking to leave a legacy airline Isn't Emirates a legacy airline? Cathay? ...

I won't feed the troll any longer. Good luck with your career. @twa - genuine question in my earlier post... It's a different calculation for everyone and their priorities. I acknowledge there is a mindset that either doesn't have an attachment here or it appeals to the living situation/lifestyle t...

For sure. Nobody knows what will happen, same goes for outside of this country. There is lots of uncertainty in all jurisdictions fed by economics and geopolitics and I think amplified through media. As tough as it is here in many respects, I'm not counting Canada out though. If you don't want to l...

Just giving some context from what I can glean is all. US major and young enough, no brainer. Commuting from overseas, that sucks. Not into airline life, it is what it is. Go be a CA instead of an FO, sure. Fair and valid, but again, it still goes to prove a point that, no one should be looking to ...

Just giving some context from what I can glean is all. US major and young enough, no brainer. Commuting from overseas, that sucks. Not into airline life, it is what it is. Go be a CA instead of an FO, sure. Fair and valid, but again, it still goes to prove a point that, no one should be looking to ...

One of the probation pilots mentioned was ex RCAF Snowbird... don't think it was a probation issue here but moving to another opportunity, lots of demand right now for military experienced guys and airline life isn't suited to everyone - especially when you are at the bottom of a list of 6000+. I b...

3 out of 8 were NB CA so not extremely “junior”. Doubt 3 would have been in the situation that to save face they were given the option to “resign.” It would seem only the bottom 2 would be so junior that they would still be on probation. So 6 out 8 would have been safely out of probation. For the s...

8 resignations on today's bid. Almost all juniors. What is going on kool-aid krew? Now that, that is impressive, and clearly not in a good way... i'd be curious to know if there has ever been that many in a month in recent times (last 10-15 years) What's even more curious, where do these pilots go ...

Why Altiplano even entertained responding I think this is what people find so annoying about big boomer energy. If you hear someone saying that they can't afford the current cost of living I don't think they're looking for your tips on how to cut spending. Just say nothing if you don't agree that d...

I have a friend who did FSS in Ontario, moved far away and then after a year of being there was given the boot. I'd think twice before applying for nav especially as it takes fucking 2 years to even hear back after applying! When I applied about 10 years ago, it was 12 months to the day from the da...

I think he just means if you’re single or on a single income you’re a renter and not likely to own a house. You can live on 120k a year in Toronto but forget about a house and 2 vehicles in the driveway. Sure am... and for what it's worth, it's hard to find exact numbers online when it comes to eve...

Canada has the worst housing affordability to income ratio in the entire OECD, and it's not even close. It's up 80% since 2004. Seeing people trying to defend it is the weirdest form of Stockholm Syndrome. No one is disputing that. Young people who are trying to get into the housing market in Canad...

The average house price in Toronto is $1.4M. No it's not. https://creastats.crea.ca/mls/treb-median-price oh sorry it's only at 1.17M, not 1.4M :rolleyes: :roll: Bede, just give up, I don't know what point you're trying to make, your arguments are senseless... A 2025 civic is almost double the MSRP...

Do you really need the data? A median salary in the 90s would afford you a detached house and a couple cars in the driveway. Now you'd need at least $350k/year to afford that. Yes we need the data. Because make believe to prove a point isn't cool. https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/how-housing-...

If you have to come back to Canada, wait until you have 2000 hours and go to AC, assuming you have you'll have your Canadian ATPL. It's the only place i'd go if coming back to Canada with your experience. You could also go Porter or Westjet mainline, but I wouldn't consider anything else in your pos...

What's often missing in this conversation is that many, if not most, of us would not be flying the aircraft we do under a European style MPL system. The pilots that get selected are often the top graduates in physics or engineering. The rest of us got somewhere by working for it. Where are you gett...

What's often missing in this conversation is that many, if not most, of us would not be flying the aircraft we do under a European style MPL system. The pilots that get selected are often the top graduates in physics or engineering. The rest of us got somewhere by working for it. Where are you gett...