Well to answer your question, I am currently doing manual labor on my days off to pay for my mortgage and buy groceries for my family as a flat pay FO.CaliforniaDreamin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:32 pm As a US Airline pilot, I find this thread dreadful
Like do you guys really debate if technically your junior pilots are in poverty?!
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- Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:37 am
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: New Hire Sims?
- Replies: 55
- Views: 5627
Re: New Hire Sims?
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:45 pm
- Forum: Flair Airlines
- Topic: Flair Suspending Growth Plans amid Delivery Delays and Debt
- Replies: 206
- Views: 33247
Re: Flair Suspending Growth Plans amid Delivery Delays and Debt
Are you sure it's not just a technical issue with the website booking system or payment processor? Surely there would be more news on this if it were actually intentionally disabled. For three days? And not a peep from Flair about it? If it was just a tech issue it probably would have been solved w...
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:26 pm
- Forum: Flair Airlines
- Topic: Flair Suspending Growth Plans amid Delivery Delays and Debt
- Replies: 206
- Views: 33247
Re: Flair Suspending Growth Plans amid Delivery Delays and Debt
Are you sure it's not just a technical issue with the website booking system or payment processor? Surely there would be more news on this if it were actually intentionally disabled.
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:05 am
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: Grievance update for the 285ish former Jazz pilots affected by Flow
- Replies: 206
- Views: 26023
Re: Grievance update for the 285ish former Jazz pilots affected by Flow
This should be extended to Jazz pilots that joined AC in 2022 as well. Plenty of Jazz pilots interviewed at AC in late 2019/early 2020 and were in the hiring pool when COVID hit. Instead of AC re-interviewing and hiring these pilots first when hiring resumed in the spring of 2022, Jazz held onto man...
- Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:22 am
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: Emirates or Air Canada
- Replies: 68
- Views: 12254
Re: Emirates or Air Canada
Exactly, I'm starting to realize that even if we get a massive raise at AC, the cost of living and taxes in Canada will still make it a difficult country to have a comfortable life in. This isn't the same country I grew up in that's for sure. I am personally looking to move to the US however my visa...
- Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:58 pm
- Forum: Flair Airlines
- Topic: Flair Suspending Growth Plans amid Delivery Delays and Debt
- Replies: 206
- Views: 33247
Re: Flair Suspending Growth Plans amid Delivery Delays and Debt
I always thought Flair was the most stable of all the ULCCs in Canada. If they aren't doing well I can only imagine how Lynx and Jetlines are doing. I hope Flair pulls through and all the pilots get to keep their jobs.
- Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:11 pm
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: Emirates or Air Canada
- Replies: 68
- Views: 12254
Re: Emirates or Air Canada
There are ex Emirates pilots joining Air Canada these days but no Air Canada pilots going to Emirates from what I know. In talking to some of the ex Emirates pilots they say the lack of job security and the lifestyle at Emirates isn't worth it anymore. Same goes for Cathay and a lot of the other Asi...
- Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:01 pm
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: The Air Canada OTS thread
- Replies: 2324
- Views: 813491
Re: The Air Canada OTS thread
I realize it’s difficult to make ends meet initially but your software engineering career has the same issues from something I read recently, lower pay compared to your US counterparts. Also, I suspect the odds of earning 250-300k long term is remote, your ability to do that at AC is a much higher ...
- Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:02 am
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: The Air Canada OTS thread
- Replies: 2324
- Views: 813491
Re: The Air Canada OTS thread
Honest question, where are these pilots going to go if the contract isn’t to their satisfaction? I think people overestimate how many would actually leave AC, maybe some will look overseas but the reality is there is no where else in Canada once you’ve made it to AC. I have kept my software enginee...
- Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:34 am
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: The Air Canada OTS thread
- Replies: 2324
- Views: 813491
Re: The Air Canada OTS thread
Sub 2000 wasn't true about a month ago. Guys were being told to apply again with ~1950 hours. Guys were getting hired a year ago with just over 2000 hours as well.... still lots of interest at AC, just a lot of guys waiting on the sidelines for a good contract before they commit to a lifetime of co...
- Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:52 am
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: Is the ACPA Motto: "We will get'em next time" gone?
- Replies: 76
- Views: 11089
Re: Is the ACPA Motto: "We will get'em next time" gone?
There are a lot of pilots on flat pay. Not hard to make more money than that doing something else (Uber, etc...) during a strike or lockout. It is hard to save enough in preparation for the strike on flat pay though.
- Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:55 am
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: Is the ACPA Motto: "We will get'em next time" gone?
- Replies: 76
- Views: 11089
Re: Is the ACPA Motto: "We will get'em next time" gone?
What I don't understand is if there was a strike in April and no return to work legislation implemented by the government, wouldn't that be in the pilot groups advantage? The company couldn't let the strike go on into the summer travel season and would eventually have cave to give the pilot group wh...
- Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:38 am
- Forum: General Comments
- Topic: How long til $100k?
- Replies: 72
- Views: 67614
Re: How long til $100k?
Lets hope flat pays ceases to exist soon. In my opinion no airline pilot at a major airline in this country (AC, WJ, Transat) should make under 100K from year one. Getting to a major airline can easily take 5-10 years and is not an entry level job however the pay is entry level. I made more as an en...
- Fri Dec 15, 2023 10:47 am
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: What's with all the geeks on the street at Pearson
- Replies: 38
- Views: 30131
Re: What's with all the geeks on the street at Pearson
I'm on probation and would gladly wear the red lanyard instead of the blue one but it's been hard to source.
- Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:07 pm
- Forum: General Comments
- Topic: How long til $100k?
- Replies: 72
- Views: 67614
Re: How long til $100k?
I would have to agree that being a pilot is less mentally taxing than being an engineer. I was formerly a software engineer and am now a major airline pilot and I find that flying is easier and requires less creativity and problem solving compared to engineering. Most flights are variations of the s...
- Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:45 am
- Forum: General Comments
- Topic: How long til $100k?
- Replies: 72
- Views: 67614
Re: How long til $100k?
I hit 100K in 5 years as a regional captain with a bit of OT. Now 8 years in (with a break from flying during COVID) I'm at 60K questioning my career decisions.
- Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:35 am
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: EXPECTED NUMBER OF RETIREES AT AC.
- Replies: 60
- Views: 55139
Re: EXPECTED NUMBER OF RETIREES AT AC.
I wouldn't be suprised if new hires being hired today have to wait 4-5 years to upgrade unless flat pay goes away in the new contract and new hire FOs make good money. At the moment, it seems that understandably most new hires are choosing the junior upgrade route to get off flat pay even though jun...
- Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:34 pm
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: US Regional FO - Year 1 - $206,000 Canadian
- Replies: 45
- Views: 19339
Re: US Regional FO - Year 1 - $206,000 Canadian
As a junior flat pay pilot, my line in the sand is 100% increase to flat pay and only 1-2 years of it not the current 4. 50% minimum increase to formula pay. And of course lifestyle improvements also needed. Get rid of the flat pay in this agreement, and doesn't drag down future negotiations. Other...
- Sat Dec 02, 2023 7:24 am
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: US Regional FO - Year 1 - $206,000 Canadian
- Replies: 45
- Views: 19339
Re: US Regional FO - Year 1 - $206,000 Canadian
As a junior flat pay pilot, my line in the sand is 100% increase to flat pay and only 1-2 years of it not the current 4. 50% minimum increase to formula pay. And of course lifestyle improvements also needed.
- Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:13 am
- Forum: Air Canada
- Topic: Timing the cycle
- Replies: 230
- Views: 183182
Re: Timing the cycle
IMO new hire pay needs to go up 100% at least and none of this 4 year flat pay stuff. Max 1-2 years fixed pay. Anyone on formula pay needs a 50% bump at least. That's what the consensus is in the flight deck whenever I fly these days. I don't think the pilot group will vote anything less in.