CaliforniaDreamin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:32 pm As a US Airline pilot, I find this thread dreadful

Like do you guys really debate if technically your junior pilots are in poverty?!

Well to answer your question, I am currently doing manual labor on my days off to pay for my mortgage and buy groceries for my family as a flat pay FO.

Are you sure it's not just a technical issue with the website booking system or payment processor? Surely there would be more news on this if it were actually intentionally disabled. For three days? And not a peep from Flair about it? If it was just a tech issue it probably would have been solved w...

Are you sure it's not just a technical issue with the website booking system or payment processor? Surely there would be more news on this if it were actually intentionally disabled.

This should be extended to Jazz pilots that joined AC in 2022 as well. Plenty of Jazz pilots interviewed at AC in late 2019/early 2020 and were in the hiring pool when COVID hit. Instead of AC re-interviewing and hiring these pilots first when hiring resumed in the spring of 2022, Jazz held onto man...

Exactly, I'm starting to realize that even if we get a massive raise at AC, the cost of living and taxes in Canada will still make it a difficult country to have a comfortable life in. This isn't the same country I grew up in that's for sure. I am personally looking to move to the US however my visa...

I always thought Flair was the most stable of all the ULCCs in Canada. If they aren't doing well I can only imagine how Lynx and Jetlines are doing. I hope Flair pulls through and all the pilots get to keep their jobs.

There are ex Emirates pilots joining Air Canada these days but no Air Canada pilots going to Emirates from what I know. In talking to some of the ex Emirates pilots they say the lack of job security and the lifestyle at Emirates isn't worth it anymore. Same goes for Cathay and a lot of the other Asi...

I realize it’s difficult to make ends meet initially but your software engineering career has the same issues from something I read recently, lower pay compared to your US counterparts. Also, I suspect the odds of earning 250-300k long term is remote, your ability to do that at AC is a much higher ...

Honest question, where are these pilots going to go if the contract isn’t to their satisfaction? I think people overestimate how many would actually leave AC, maybe some will look overseas but the reality is there is no where else in Canada once you’ve made it to AC. I have kept my software enginee...

Sub 2000 wasn't true about a month ago. Guys were being told to apply again with ~1950 hours. Guys were getting hired a year ago with just over 2000 hours as well.... still lots of interest at AC, just a lot of guys waiting on the sidelines for a good contract before they commit to a lifetime of co...

There are a lot of pilots on flat pay. Not hard to make more money than that doing something else (Uber, etc...) during a strike or lockout. It is hard to save enough in preparation for the strike on flat pay though.

What I don't understand is if there was a strike in April and no return to work legislation implemented by the government, wouldn't that be in the pilot groups advantage? The company couldn't let the strike go on into the summer travel season and would eventually have cave to give the pilot group wh...

Lets hope flat pays ceases to exist soon. In my opinion no airline pilot at a major airline in this country (AC, WJ, Transat) should make under 100K from year one. Getting to a major airline can easily take 5-10 years and is not an entry level job however the pay is entry level. I made more as an en...

I'm on probation and would gladly wear the red lanyard instead of the blue one but it's been hard to source.

I would have to agree that being a pilot is less mentally taxing than being an engineer. I was formerly a software engineer and am now a major airline pilot and I find that flying is easier and requires less creativity and problem solving compared to engineering. Most flights are variations of the s...

I hit 100K in 5 years as a regional captain with a bit of OT. Now 8 years in (with a break from flying during COVID) I'm at 60K questioning my career decisions.

I wouldn't be suprised if new hires being hired today have to wait 4-5 years to upgrade unless flat pay goes away in the new contract and new hire FOs make good money. At the moment, it seems that understandably most new hires are choosing the junior upgrade route to get off flat pay even though jun...

As a junior flat pay pilot, my line in the sand is 100% increase to flat pay and only 1-2 years of it not the current 4. 50% minimum increase to formula pay. And of course lifestyle improvements also needed. Get rid of the flat pay in this agreement, and doesn't drag down future negotiations. Other...

As a junior flat pay pilot, my line in the sand is 100% increase to flat pay and only 1-2 years of it not the current 4. 50% minimum increase to formula pay. And of course lifestyle improvements also needed.

IMO new hire pay needs to go up 100% at least and none of this 4 year flat pay stuff. Max 1-2 years fixed pay. Anyone on formula pay needs a 50% bump at least. That's what the consensus is in the flight deck whenever I fly these days. I don't think the pilot group will vote anything less in.