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by planebored
Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:00 am
Forum: Air Transat
Topic: AC and TRZ Agree to Terminate Arrangement
Replies: 1687
Views: 269467

Re: Air Canada and Transat announce Updated Purchase Price at $5 per share

If you dont think time spent in the regional market, be it Jazz, sky or Georgian won't have a certain weight in the artibrator's decision, you are out to lunch. Time in the regional effects almost 2 000 pilots at AC. Won’t matter one single bit. You quit. You were a new hire on a specific date at A...
by planebored
Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:51 pm
Forum: Air Transat
Topic: AC and TRZ Agree to Terminate Arrangement
Replies: 1687
Views: 269467

Re: Air Canada and Transat announce Updated Purchase Price at $5 per share

I went through the whole AC / Canadian merger, the famous Keller list. The reality is, air transat pilots will have to give up a certain amount of seniority. The questin is... how much? These two mergers have quite a bit in comon. I don't think applying a straight penalty will be the way to go, a r...
by planebored
Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:05 pm
Forum: Air Canada
Topic: Appologies
Replies: 89
Views: 15826

Re: Appologies

Brb getting some avacado toast
by planebored
Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:40 pm
Forum: Air Transat
Topic: AC and TRZ Agree to Terminate Arrangement
Replies: 1687
Views: 269467

Re: Air Canada and Transat announce Updated Purchase Price at $5 per share

Fanblade wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:29 pm The only thing that will matter is what the arbitrator thinks. He/she won’t care what the contract say while integrating lists.

Repeat. What the contract says means nothing.
Tell that to all the AC pilots who think because our contract says BOTL, that it will be BOTL... :roll: :lol:
by planebored
Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:44 pm
Forum: Air Canada
Topic: Appologies
Replies: 89
Views: 15826

Re: Appologies

The board wants us. So yeah, not really going to be a problem. But keep peddling the anti ALPA narrative and misinformation. Maybe go talk to someone who was part of the ALPA initiative and get the facts. Good lord, everyone in this conversation is pro-ALPA, try to keep up! I have spent plenty of t...
by planebored
Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:12 am
Forum: Air Transat
Topic: AC and TRZ Agree to Terminate Arrangement
Replies: 1687
Views: 269467

Re: Air Canada and Transat announce Increased Purchase Price to $18 per Share

On a side note: no pilot is laid off at Transat as we speak, although more than 2/3 are inactive at the moment they are still on the payroll (Transat collects the CEWS) and they will use it as long as they can (june 2021?). All furloughed AC pilots continue to accrue company service entitlement for...
by planebored
Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:32 pm
Forum: Air Transat
Topic: AC and TRZ Agree to Terminate Arrangement
Replies: 1687
Views: 269467

Re: Air Canada and Transat announce Increased Purchase Price to $18 per Share

Yeah the lay-off situation is going to make this one a mess! The bottom AC pilots might be YEARS from getting called back if the AT pilots integrate into the list. Gonna be interesting. On a side note: no pilot is laid off at Transat as we speak, although more than 2/3 are inactive at the moment th...
by planebored
Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:31 pm
Forum: Air Transat
Topic: AC and TRZ Agree to Terminate Arrangement
Replies: 1687
Views: 269467

Re: Air Canada and Transat announce Increased Purchase Price to $18 per Share

Many of our colleagues have good friends or family members also working as pilots at Air Canada. I have not met so far anyone who feels entitled to a specific seat or seniority number at Air Canada. Nobody want to steal your job; many are very afraid of the outcome without OR WITH the AC purchase. ...
by planebored
Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:32 pm
Forum: Air Canada
Topic: Appologies
Replies: 89
Views: 15826

Re: Appologies

The board wants us. So yeah, not really going to be a problem. But keep peddling the anti ALPA narrative and misinformation.

Maybe go talk to someone who was part of the ALPA initiative and get the facts.
by planebored
Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:47 pm
Forum: Air Transat
Topic: AC and TRZ Agree to Terminate Arrangement
Replies: 1687
Views: 269467

Re: Air Canada and Transat announce Increased Purchase Price to $18 per Share

You make good points.

I learned loyalty doesn't matter that much a few years ago. We're all just a number to the companies we work for.

It is what it is, but you are right in a decade we won't really remember 700 pilots that got integrated.
by planebored
Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:11 pm
Forum: Air Transat
Topic: AC and TRZ Agree to Terminate Arrangement
Replies: 1687
Views: 269467

Re: Air Canada and Transat announce Increased Purchase Price to $18 per Share

Will not be DOH, Will not be bottom of the list. It will be a form of ratio, which will still need to be determined. If we can all agree on that, this will be much less painful That is what it will be. Starting point will have to be determined, I have no doubt TS will want top of the list start poi...
by planebored
Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:22 pm
Forum: Air Canada
Topic: Appologies
Replies: 89
Views: 15826

Re: Appologies


Also, ALPA will not pursue any relationship with ACPA as long as the deal with TS is not finalized or dead. Their duty of representation is towards the TS group and any talks with ACPA would be inappropriate.
Not true.
by planebored
Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:00 pm
Forum: Air Canada
Topic: Appologies
Replies: 89
Views: 15826

Re: Appologies

ALPA will be a done deal after the merger, the CIRB will mandate a representation vote. So that wind is taken out of the sails of the P4C. As mentioned above, no way in hell we could get there any sooner. I doubt they will care because the end result is the same. At least they all stood up for some...
by planebored
Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:50 am
Forum: Air Canada
Topic: Appologies
Replies: 89
Views: 15826

Re: Appologies

Where to start on who doesn't get it. So the P4C crowd isn't going to take over but we will all be in ALPA before we start down the merger road with Transat. If that is the mantra they are preaching to the junior crowd, heaven help you! You are either that naive or simply do not have an understandi...
by planebored
Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:11 am
Forum: Air Canada
Topic: Appologies
Replies: 89
Views: 15826

Re: Appologies

The only thing threatening the Junior Pilots right now, is who gets on the merger committee. No fear mongering - important discussion! ACPA was out of their league against the CAIL merger committee for two reasons, the CAIL group were merger experts and ACPA was arrogant. I am all for change and we...
by planebored
Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:41 am
Forum: Air Canada
Topic: Appologies
Replies: 89
Views: 15826

Re: Appologies

Johnny767 wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:42 am I understand perfectly well, a bloodless coup of the Association! Just what you need prior to a complicated Seniority Integration.
Clearly you don't.
by planebored
Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:26 am
Forum: Air Canada
Topic: Appologies
Replies: 89
Views: 15826

Re: Appologies

You should be worried, but you think P4C is the answer? ACPA better get their house in order in a hurry and get some seriously experienced Merger help. It is out their within our ranks, definitely NOT within the P4C crowd. Sounds like you don't understand what P4C actually is or what they're trying...
by planebored
Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:16 pm
Forum: Air Canada
Topic: Appologies
Replies: 89
Views: 15826

Re: Appologies

This letter seems overly political. Perhaps MM is afraid of the boys and girls at P4C? MM sees the days of full time flight release coming to an end. This is him gasping for a last breath. Wednesday is the day we'll find out what the future of our association will be. I know who I'm rooting for. Ot...
by planebored
Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:37 pm
Forum: Air Transat
Topic: AC and TRZ Agree to Terminate Arrangement
Replies: 1687
Views: 269467

Re: Air Canada and Transat announce Increased Purchase Price to $18 per Share

The canadian merger was 20 years ago, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say AC "doesn't have much of a DOH list". So I guess just ignore them then? Not what I said. But trying to pretend DOH isn't the primary means of determining seniority at AC is just dumb. It is now but when you're merging a li...
by planebored
Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:21 pm
Forum: Air Transat
Topic: AC and TRZ Agree to Terminate Arrangement
Replies: 1687
Views: 269467

Re: Air Canada and Transat announce Increased Purchase Price to $18 per Share

milhouse wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:53 pm
planebored wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:43 pm Explain how it "won't be too far from DOH mark" when AC doesn't have much of a DOH list?
The canadian merger was 20 years ago, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say AC "doesn't have much of a DOH list".
So I guess just ignore them then?

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