accountant wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 11:45 am Why haven't you guys given your notice already? Oh yeah, too chicken to strike.

Sea Kelp.

No seriously, professional help. There is something seriously wrong with you.

The US is not a comparable. Get over it already. 10x the population, entirely different travel market, entirely different funding model as far as transportation, taxes, etc go, and massively financed operations that are hugely reliant on ancillary (card / ff) spend. Meanwhile, you're asking for a m...

Always an interesting day when something like this is announced. The posters come out in small numbers. I always wonder... Are these paid shills? Hired by the union busting law firm that the company employs to try and stir up fear and division? Are they just trolls looking for a reaction/attention? ...

Of this whole thread this caught my eye. By gawd man, who did you fly for 10 years ago that you had to start a generator for heat? :D I grew up in the north and never had to do that. Lol He had to keep waking up every 3 hours during the night to ensure Jenny is still... ahem... heating the plane, n...

C-GGGQ wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:57 am Exactly he’s duplicating positions so he can have 4 independent airlines to sell off.

At the rate they are going, I'll be surprised if they have even one operating airline to sell off.

Funny rant, but what is important is whether or not he can fix the inefficiencies and increase profits, which he seems to be doing. Which inefficiencies? The ones caused by running 4 different airlines under one umbrella? That's 4 different office staff, 4 different benefits programs, 4 different c...

Cloak won't answer questions because if he did, he might have to examine his position a little more deeply and that might lead him to question his belief system. He'll never address the question we all have for him; How do you have a relationship with a partner that doesn't want a relationship with ...

P. S. If you truly believe this is the case, that it is a small number of pilots in the company who are willing and ready to strike, you are going to be in for a very large surprise. Oh boy! Either simply SDs from other airlines trying to rile up others for their own ends, overzealous (Encore?) pilo...

I gave you a bit of a gentle ribbing there Cloak, no need to go all Will Smith. I don't know how to break this to you but, it requires at least 2 to have a relationship. The pilots (union) tried that and the company made it very clear that they were not interested in a relationship. They continue to...

Well Cloak, I am sorry that you feel offended that WestJet pilots are no longer content to be the lowest paid 737 pilots in North America, possibly the entire globe. I am sure that the wages of Canadian pilots are going to increasing will causes you deep personal distress and harm. I know this doesn...

There is so much wrong with this that I'm not even sure where to begin. 1. It is highly debatable how factually true the video was, but 2. regardless it was made in poor taste and served no purpose other than to inflame the situation and undermine the negotiations. 3. It lacked diplomacy and class. ...

I am tired. Tired of being bullied, lied to and threatened. Time to break out the flame thrower and burn it to the ground. The jobs (and passengers) will go somewhere else, and so will we. I wonder how it looks on your CEO resume when you move to another country to kill a $1.5+ billion a year compan...

All valid points, but what is the data you would use to put forward an alternative interpretation and outcome and what is that alternative? Don’t overestimate the effect of WS on Onex in general it is only about 8% of their portfolio holding at it’s pre-Covid valuation, probably about 4% now and on...

Issues with the economic analysis presented here: Information is dated. 3, and now pushing 4, years out of date. Assumptions based on growing uncertainty in the absence of real time data. Changes in corporate structure and costs since you left/covid. IE: There are a lot less office staff, no ground ...

For 40+ years, there has been a surplus of labour in Canada. A never ending supply of pilots wanting to work and not nearly enough jobs for all of us. This has been fantastic for the companies and the people who run those companies. They have had 40+ years of power to keep compensation low, and fall...

We "took one for the team" during COVID when we took a pay cut to reduce layoffs. Now it's time for the company to take one for the team. Our "execs" are being pushed into a corner. There are two options for Onex: Give in. (Pay up) Go nuclear. (Shut down) Exactly. I am taking my cue directly from t...

Covid changed a lot, messed up the previous direction, allowed the ULCCs to gain a strong foothold. I think WS may have been able to follow the JetBlue evolution without Covid, now they have cost and revenue challenges that are not nearly as controlled as before due to the nature of the current lab...

They are not Canadian, look like Delta pilots to me. All ask it another way, when has a Canadian pilot group refused to cross another Canadian picket line in support of a strike mandate ? I just pulled the first picture on the google search. Go and do your own search. There were pilots from many ot...

Quick question for Aerobod. If the WJ group of companies, and Onex, are so tight on margins and profit that pilots wages will bankrupt the company, why/how did they buy another airline (Sunwing)? I am going to stay and fight for a better life, offering the executives the opportunity to accept and em...

Ok I'm calling the bluff on this one. WHEN in the history of Canadian aviation has one pilot group stepped up in support of another in a strike, let alone from a competing airline. The management teams know this, count on this and revel in the knowledge of. PLEASE, PLEASE someone prove me wrong, PL...

dhc2pilot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:31 pm Hey WestJet pilots…..all you need to know is Air Canada pilots are rooting for you! We are going to be in the same boat this year. Time to have some pilot unity. Go get ‘em!

Thanks for the support. I really do appreciate it and I will be there for you when the time comes.

aerobod wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:04 pm Sounds like you should just look for another job elsewhere, would be a lot less stressful for you.

Lol. Sounds like the "Get off the bus" speech back in the day. I mean, why improve things when you can just leave, right?

If you don't work at WJ anymore, why would you care?

All I see is WS not being able insulate itself from a low cost onslaught and not having the volume of business orientated products that AC has to differentiate and give a far superior RASM. And who's fault is that? It wasn't the pilots who chose the multiple directions the company has committed to ...

WS is not AC (and I have worked internally at both airlines, WS to 2018, AC to 2020), the cost models, markets and competitors on given routes are not exactly the same. WS has more direct product comparison/exposure with the ULCCs than AC does. A comparison of wages and costs with Transat, Sunwing,...

- I would expect in rounded numbers for pilot compensation increase ALPA is probably at 50% over 4 years and WS at 20%. I think anything over 35% will probably leave the company in an uncompetitive cost position. This is due to the fact that other employee groups (and the current shortage of labour...