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Returning From the US

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Greetings,

My flight department hasn't left Canada since Covid thing started, but that is about to change. I understand that as pilots we are exempt from the quarantine rules, but has anyone here spent time in the US before returning? For example, flying the boss to LA, staying there for a week+ (possibly flying elsewhere within the US) before flying the boss home again. This as opposed to landing, fueling up and heading home without leaving the FBO. From my conversations with CBSA agents, it will depend on the discretion officer at the port of entry in Canada whether or not we are ok, or have to quarantine since we didn't adhere to the intent of the exemption. I get the feeling that the officer would rule against us. We've been brainstorming ways to avoid:

1-flying home on the airlines,forfeiting our exemption and having to quarantine when we get home
2-staying with the boss, ordering in food for days and days, in hopes of being granted the exemption when we get home, but getting quarantined by the officer on the spot anyway

Since we are a two-person flight department this would be a bit of a hassle either way. Perhaps that's what we have to accept these days if we're going to head down to the US! If anyone has dealt with this sort of thing and has any insight, it'd be greatly appreciated.
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No quarantine necessary as crew, even when deadheading back. That was the situation a month ago, I don't think it has changed.

I don't think any private plane meets the intent of the exemption, but it seems to be the way it is being applied.
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By deadheading, do you mean flying the aircraft home empty or airlining home? Flying home empty would definitely be the preferred option.
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StandingBy wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:12 pm By deadheading, do you mean flying the aircraft home empty or airlining home? Flying home empty would definitely be the preferred option.
Both. As long as you are a pilot it seems people just Waltz through without quarantaine requirement.
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Interesting. We assumed that once you got on an airliner that you were just like everybody else.
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While we can debate all day long whether or not a pilot of a business aircraft can be considered as being employed in the transportation sector and therefore exempt from the quarantine act, in practice any such discussion is way too complicated and if you have a professional pilot's licence and are employed as a pilot, you are not going to have a problem. I've gone back and forth several times on business without a problem. A couple months ago I brokered an aircraft sale and the new owner came from the US via the airlines, picked up their plane and flew home. At customs he showed them his licence, declared he was here to pick up an aircraft, and that was the end of the questions.

Don't overthink it. You're not a tourist, you're acting in the course of your employment as a pilot.
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Thank you for the replies. CBSA seems to agree; getting on an airliner to get home doesn't mess with the exemption. That makes life much easier! Now that we've started checking around it seems that people are travelling in an out of the US with less hassle than I expected.
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I commute to my flying job in the US ever other week, I am away from Canada for 8 days at a time.
I drive across the border in my car then go to work.
Never had a problem going there or coming back to Canada the last few months.

The usual questions from CBSA
How long away? anything to declare? Any guns?

Plus lately they have been asking what cities I have been to?
Did I do any sightseeing while there?
Where did I spend most of my time when not flying? Hotel?

Plus how am I feeling? Any symptom of flu or fever?

Since you are air crew you are exempt from the 14 day quarantine but must report to your local health authority if you have any symptoms.
I do a covid test once a month and our company paid for the antibody test last month.
Still negative.

One big shock is the attitude of people in the US vs Canada.
I see people sitting in the hotel bars next to each other acting as if everything is normal.
Company policy is take out, in room dining only or in the aircraft.

So far so good

Good news is business aviation is back to pre Covid-19 levels at our company and increasing demand.
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hawker driver wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:01 pm I commute to my flying job in the US ever other week, I am away from Canada for 8 days at a time.
I drive across the border in my car then go to work.
Never had a problem going there or coming back to Canada the last few months.

The usual questions from CBSA
How long away? anything to declare? Any guns?

Plus lately they have been asking what cities I have been to?
Did I do any sightseeing while there?
Where did I spend most of my time when not flying? Hotel?

Plus how am I feeling? Any symptom of flu or fever?

Since you are air crew you are exempt from the 14 day quarantine but must report to your local health authority if you have any symptoms.
I do a covid test once a month and our company paid for the antibody test last month.
Still negative.

One big shock is the attitude of people in the US vs Canada.
I see people sitting in the hotel bars next to each other acting as if everything is normal.
Company policy is take out, in room dining only or in the aircraft.

So far so good

Good news is business aviation is back to pre Covid-19 levels at our company and increasing demand.
That's awesome Hawker, keep staying safe. Our flight department is still pretty sleepy as passengers are torn with the mandatory 14 day quarantine.

As for any pilot travelling with a quiet schedule post flight, let's ask ourselves is there any harm in limiting our exposure to our community and bubble after a flight where we might've been exposed? No.
Do we have to? No.
Does it suck? A little.
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ahramin wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:02 pm Don't overthink it. You're not a tourist, you're acting in the course of your employment as a pilot.
That is correct, but, it does NOT apply to the folks in the back.
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goldeneagle wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:01 am
ahramin wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:02 pm Don't overthink it. You're not a tourist, you're acting in the course of your employment as a pilot.
That is correct, but, it does NOT apply to the folks in the back.
What do you mean? Pilots in the back are also exempt.
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digits_ wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:16 am
goldeneagle wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:01 am
ahramin wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:02 pm Don't overthink it. You're not a tourist, you're acting in the course of your employment as a pilot.
That is correct, but, it does NOT apply to the folks in the back.
What do you mean? Pilots in the back are also exempt.
Exactly. It doesn't matter where you sit, it doesn't matter if you are corporate pilot on an airliner or airline pilot in a small private aircraft. If the purpose of the trip is working as a pilot that's it.
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ahramin wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:50 am
digits_ wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:16 am
goldeneagle wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:01 am

That is correct, but, it does NOT apply to the folks in the back.
What do you mean? Pilots in the back are also exempt.
Exactly. It doesn't matter where you sit, it doesn't matter if you are corporate pilot on an airliner or airline pilot in a small private aircraft. If the purpose of the trip is working as a pilot that's it.
I know some might disagree, but people in the other thread reported no issues even when they were privately picking up their own airplane. Seems that in practice flying a plane sometime during your trip is enough to be exempt. Doesn't have to be for hire.

Some argue this is not according to the quarantaine rules, but it does seem that in reality it is allowed.
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It's possible that there is an exemption to the quarantine act for private pilots, I wouldn't know as I haven't read the whole thing. What I do know is flying your personal aircraft does not make you flight crew engaged in transportation.

StandingBy, here's the CBSA guide for returning flight crew.
CBSA_Guide for crew mandatory info.pdf
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digits_ wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:16 am
goldeneagle wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:01 am
ahramin wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:02 pm Don't overthink it. You're not a tourist, you're acting in the course of your employment as a pilot.
That is correct, but, it does NOT apply to the folks in the back.
What do you mean? Pilots in the back are also exempt.
The folks riding in the back of a corp jet are not typically pilots, they are the folks that sign the paycheque. They are not exempt from quarantine requirements.
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goldeneagle wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:44 pm
digits_ wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:16 am
goldeneagle wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:01 am

That is correct, but, it does NOT apply to the folks in the back.
What do you mean? Pilots in the back are also exempt.
The folks riding in the back of a corp jet are not typically pilots, they are the folks that sign the paycheque. They are not exempt from quarantine requirements.
Wouldn't you need to know why they are traveling before you can say that?
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