Sky Service Business Aviation

[PitchLink]

SSBA had a King Air 350 FO ad initially on 23 Sep, and they updated the job ad to 18 Oct. Why do you guys think they did that? Is it because they don't have qualified applicants since the 23rd of Sep and had to "refresh" their job ad?

https://skyservice.com/careers/

https://skyservice.com/job/?requisitionId=20161168

Above is the direct link to the job I think you’re describing.

[canyonclay]

SSBA had a King Air 350 FO ad initially on 23 Sep, and they updated the job ad to 18 Oct. Why do you guys think they did that? Is it because they don't have qualified applicants since the 23rd of Sep and had to "refresh" their job ad?

https://skyservice.com/careers/

https://skyservice.com/job/?requisitionId=20161168

Above is the direct link to the job I think you’re describing.

Yeah that one. The initial job posting date was 23 Sep, but it is now 18 Oct. So I was just wondering if they just didn't have anyone applying, or they're still looking for the right candidate, hence they "refreshed" the job posting date.

[PitchLink]

SSBA had a King Air 350 FO ad initially on 23 Sep, and they updated the job ad to 18 Oct. Why do you guys think they did that? Is it because they don't have qualified applicants since the 23rd of Sep and had to "refresh" their job ad?

https://skyservice.com/careers/

https://skyservice.com/job/?requisitionId=20161168

Above is the direct link to the job I think you’re describing.

Yeah that one. The initial job posting date was 23 Sep, but it is now 18 Oct. So I was just wondering if they just didn't have anyone applying, or they're still looking for the right candidate, hence they "refreshed" the job posting date.

It could be several determining factors including the pool of applicants or lack thereof. I’d have to see the wage associated with it, FO on a 350 won’t be very high but I’m sure it will be par for the position.

[canyonclay]

I read somewhere that corporate flying would be around 300 hours a year? Is this true? However, SSBA isn't fractional ownership like AirSprint and each airplane has an owner, so I guess that would make sense?

['97 Tercel]

Yep, about that...possibly less

[JHR]

I once had a 65hr year...I miss those days

[schnitzel2k3]

I once had a 65hr year...I miss those days

Were you on salary?

[JHR]

But of course

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I once had a 65hr year...I miss those days

That’s rough lol

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I have some friends at Sky who seem to be paid a reasonable amount and others seem a little low. It really boils down to what you negotiate with the company/owner.

I think it's the same all around, Chartright, Innotech etc. Most companies will usually offer bottom 25% of average pay during the interview stage. You need to know your value, and going rates for those seats before you walk into a final interview. Don't get blinded by the shiny metal light, because that blinding will usually cost you 2 years of your life on a bond.

Don't forget to negotiate salary increases - if you leave it up to the operators, they will AT BEST give you 2-3% (if you're lucky). Most will save re-negotiations until the 2yr bond mark because they know the financial penalties are so significant, you aren't going anywhere.

And no - skipping out of bonds isn't a thing. They will almost always take you to court - there is no defense against a signed pro-rated contract.

I know a guy that signed a training bond at one of those companies. A couple months after his endorsement was done and paid for, he realized he took on something that wasn’t as advertised. He repaid the remainder of the training bond and gave his 2 weeks notice. The president directed hr to fire him.

[schnitzel2k3]

I have some friends at Sky who seem to be paid a reasonable amount and others seem a little low. It really boils down to what you negotiate with the company/owner.

I think it's the same all around, Chartright, Innotech etc. Most companies will usually offer bottom 25% of average pay during the interview stage. You need to know your value, and going rates for those seats before you walk into a final interview. Don't get blinded by the shiny metal light, because that blinding will usually cost you 2 years of your life on a bond.

Don't forget to negotiate salary increases - if you leave it up to the operators, they will AT BEST give you 2-3% (if you're lucky). Most will save re-negotiations until the 2yr bond mark because they know the financial penalties are so significant, you aren't going anywhere.

And no - skipping out of bonds isn't a thing. They will almost always take you to court - there is no defense against a signed pro-rated contract.

I know a guy that signed a training bond at one of those companies. A couple months after his endorsement was done and paid for, he realized he took on something that wasn’t as advertised. He repaid the remainder of the training bond and gave his 2 weeks notice. The president directed hr to fire him.

Wow. That sounds both expensive and excessive.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I think it's the same all around, Chartright, Innotech etc. Most companies will usually offer bottom 25% of average pay during the interview stage. You need to know your value, and going rates for those seats before you walk into a final interview. Don't get blinded by the shiny metal light, because that blinding will usually cost you 2 years of your life on a bond.

Don't forget to negotiate salary increases - if you leave it up to the operators, they will AT BEST give you 2-3% (if you're lucky). Most will save re-negotiations until the 2yr bond mark because they know the financial penalties are so significant, you aren't going anywhere.

And no - skipping out of bonds isn't a thing. They will almost always take you to court - there is no defense against a signed pro-rated contract.

I know a guy that signed a training bond at one of those companies. A couple months after his endorsement was done and paid for, he realized he took on something that wasn’t as advertised. He repaid the remainder of the training bond and gave his 2 weeks notice. The president directed hr to fire him.

Wow. That sounds both expensive and excessive.

He wanted out bad enough I guess, and to clarify he was an AME that took the type training. It’s a different scenario work wise but still the same 40k training bond that the company can leverage on most guys that don’t have the resources or wherewithal to fight back. I felt really bad for him

[CJ3PILOT]

SSBA is a great place to work. Ive done two tours of duty there over the years and they have always been great. Organized and crews are very well supported from senior management to flight ops.

The interview with the current CP (Mark) who is a great guy and certainly a "pilots chief pilot" is HR based with no tech questions that ive seen. The interviews ive done were for large corp bizjets and id say that maybe as a lower time F/O interviewing, you might see a few tech questions.

Bonds seem to be 1-2 years based on owner/lead captain direction. Pay is very dependant on owner/aircraft size and is generally industry standard+.

Good luck!

CP

few yrs ago when i was flying regional i applied and got an interview. they didn't even know what job i applied to that they were interviewing. cp was arrogant douche. i left the interview not wanting the job. this was in yyz. glad i didn't take it.

Yeah I had the same guy he came from Air Georgian so take it from there

[schnitzel2k3]

SSBA is a great place to work. Ive done two tours of duty there over the years and they have always been great. Organized and crews are very well supported from senior management to flight ops.

The interview with the current CP (Mark) who is a great guy and certainly a "pilots chief pilot" is HR based with no tech questions that ive seen. The interviews ive done were for large corp bizjets and id say that maybe as a lower time F/O interviewing, you might see a few tech questions.

Bonds seem to be 1-2 years based on owner/lead captain direction. Pay is very dependant on owner/aircraft size and is generally industry standard+.

Good luck!

CP

few yrs ago when i was flying regional i applied and got an interview. they didn't even know what job i applied to that they were interviewing. cp was arrogant douche. i left the interview not wanting the job. this was in yyz. glad i didn't take it.

Yeah I had the same guy he came from Air Georgian so take it from there

Dudes north end YYZ now on a Challenger, non management.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

few yrs ago when i was flying regional i applied and got an interview. they didn't even know what job i applied to that they were interviewing. cp was arrogant douche. i left the interview not wanting the job. this was in yyz. glad i didn't take it.

Yeah I had the same guy he came from Air Georgian so take it from there

Dudes north end YYZ now on a Challenger, non management.

Good for him

[schnitzel2k3]

Good for him indeed. At least he can't negatively influence peoples careers.

[PitchLink]

Good for him indeed. At least he can't negatively influence peoples careers.

Is sky service decent with schedules for maintenance do you know?

[schnitzel2k3]

Good for him indeed. At least he can't negatively influence peoples careers.

Is sky service decent with schedules for maintenance do you know?

Not sure exactly what you mean, but as far as service, they are a heavy maintenance organization. They suffer like most operators at keeping AME and pilot talent, particularly in a short supply market.

[PitchLink]

Good for him indeed. At least he can't negatively influence peoples careers.

Is sky service decent with schedules for maintenance do you know?

Not sure exactly what you mean, but as far as service, they are a heavy maintenance organization. They suffer like most operators at keeping AME and pilot talent, particularly in a short supply market.

Badly written post sorry. I meant to ask if they have decent shifts or work schedules for the maintenance staff.

[schnitzel2k3]

IIRC Yes. Not sure exactly what it is these days but they were scheduled.

Is sky service decent with schedules for maintenance do you know?

Not sure exactly what you mean, but as far as service, they are a heavy maintenance organization. They suffer like most operators at keeping AME and pilot talent, particularly in a short supply market.

Badly written post sorry. I meant to ask if they have decent shifts or work schedules for the maintenance staff.