Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

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Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by timel » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:49 am

Picture from twitter, news are saying there was 3 ambulances at the crash site. Looks like there is a lot of fog down there.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonlapierre1 ... 61/photo/1
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by Safe-T » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:01 pm

It's a MU-2 (N246W) from CYHU with 7 on board:
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=185997

Weather at CYGR about the accident time (11:40 LT / 15:40 Z):
CYGR 291500Z 05018G29KT 2 1/2SM -RA BR BKN002 OVC008 00/M00 A2883 RMK FG2SF5SC1 SLP765
CYGR 291517Z 05017G27KT 2SM -RA BR BKN002 OVC008 00/M00 A2884 RMK FG2SF5SC1 SLP768
CYGR 291548Z 04020G27KT 2SM -RA BR OVC002 00/M00 A2884 RMK FG2SF6 SLP768
CYGR 291600Z 04020G28KT 2SM -RA BR OVC002 00/M00 A2884 RMK FG2SF6 SLP769
CYGR 291626Z 04024G30KT 1 1/2SM -RA BR OVC002 00/M00 A2884 RMK FG2SF6 SLP770
CYGR 291700Z 03024G32KT 1 3/4SM -RA BR OVC002 00/M00 A2886 RMK FG2SF6 SLP776
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by timel » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:22 pm

6 people reported dead.
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by jpilot77 » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:29 pm

The Journal de Montreal is reporting that Jean Lapierre former Minister of Transport and his family was possibly onboard traveling to Jean Lapierre's father's funeral. RIP.
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Post by Prairie Chicken » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:55 pm

News saying seven dead now. Very bad news. RIP all & condolences to the families.
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Post by timel » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:39 pm

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/tva-former ... -1.2836751

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Post by FL020 » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:32 pm


Who in the sweet f@$# knows!!!!! It just happened!

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Post by Prairie Chicken » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:45 pm

OMG that poor mother! The LaPierre family were flying home for their father's funeral and their mother was awaiting their arrival. Two of her sons on board and Jean's wife plus crew & I'm guessing other family members. That poor mother!

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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:48 pm

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... ertxt=246W

It seems that it was a US registered private aircraft, registered to a Delaware corporation.

Were the pilots Americans ?

Edit: I just searched the FAA database. It seems that this was the only aircraft registered to that particular corporation
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by daedalusx » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:55 pm

Airport served only by NPA which according to the winds would have been RWY 07 with a MDA of 480 (458). Why even bother attempting the approach when the reported ceiling is 200' ?...


TAF CYGR 291341Z 2914/3002 05030G40KT 11/2SM -RASN BR OVC003 TEMPO 2914/2917 3SM -RA BR OVC008 PROB30 2916/2917 3/4SM -SN BLSN VV006 FM291700 01040G55KT 3/4SM -SN BLSN VV006 TEMPO 2917/2923 21/2SM -SN BLSN OVC010 BECMG 2919/2921 35045G60KT FM292300 34040G50KT 11/2SM -SN BLSN BKN025 RMK NXT FCST BY 292000Z
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by Old fella » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:59 pm

Maggies can be a rough spot when WX is down and winds howling. Not sure,but don't think there is a precision approach jus loc/dme, VOR and GPS. Been quite a while since I have been in there. Very sad to hear, heartbreaking news.
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by timel » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:06 pm

Gilles Hudicourt wrote:http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... ertxt=246W

It seems that it was a US registered private aircraft, registered to a Delaware corporation.

Were the pilots Americans ?
One pilot was from yhu, I think he is a business owner at the airport.
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by NickyNick » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:09 pm

daedalusx wrote:Airport served only by NPA which according to the winds would have been RWY 07 with a MDA of 480 (458). Why even bother attempting the approach when the reported ceiling is 200' ?...


TAF CYGR 291341Z 2914/3002 05030G40KT 11/2SM -RASN BR OVC003 TEMPO 2914/2917 3SM -RA BR OVC008 PROB30 2916/2917 3/4SM -SN BLSN VV006 FM291700 01040G55KT 3/4SM -SN BLSN VV006 TEMPO 2917/2923 21/2SM -SN BLSN OVC010 BECMG 2919/2921 35045G60KT FM292300 34040G50KT 11/2SM -SN BLSN BKN025 RMK NXT FCST BY 292000Z

No harm in trying any approach, the ceiling could be higher than reported. Fly the approach, see nothing at minimums, do the missed and go to alternate. Try again another day.
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by garfield » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:19 pm

I know the pilot, he lives in Montreal but wasn't able to insure the a/c in Canada so kept it registrated in the US. I flew with him two times.
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by SheriffPatGarrett » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:20 pm

When flown by properly trained pilots, the MU-2 is probably the best performing plane out there...however, just jumping in from a King Air or Twotter could get you in serious trouble if you get an engine loss on go around...There's no ailerons but spoilers...so unless you really, but really step in, the spoilers use just rob you of all lift on the critical wing and you crash the sim every time you practice the bad technique...Do it properly and the plane is perfectly safe.
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by Old fella » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:38 pm

garfield wrote:I know the pilot, he lives in Montreal but wasn't able to insure the a/c in Canada so kept it registrated in the US. I flew with him two times.
If such is the case that would suggest an unacceptable level of risk by the underwriters, yes- no!!!
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by SheriffPatGarrett » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:55 pm

Parts 91 regs are...hum...loose...so friends dont let friends...etc...
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by armchair » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:11 pm

SheriffPatGarrett wrote:When flown by properly trained pilots, the MU-2 is probably the best performing plane out there...however, just jumping in from a King Air or Twotter could get you in serious trouble if you get an engine loss on go around...There's no ailerons but spoilers...so unless you really, but really step in, the spoilers use just rob you of all lift on the critical wing and you crash the sim every time you practice the bad technique...Do it properly and the plane is perfectly safe.
So was the CF-104...
I happen to agree with you, but the MU-2 has a bad reputation exactly for that reason... a stubby-winged high-performance business turbo-prop. Essentially a freaky hybrid machine that is exhilarating to fly most of the time, but can be unforgiving in some specific conditions of weather, pilot technique and most assuredly very sensitive to any amount of contaminant.
Seems like the Canadian underwriters agreed with you too.
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by sportingrifle » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:50 am

Very very sad accident (as they almost all are) and condolences to all who lost loved ones.
Funny, the MU-2 flown in commercial operations now has a better accident record per hour flown than the King Air. If this accident had involved a King Air, nobody would have questioned the airplane. As a 7000 hr MU-2 pilot and examiner on type, I have heard all the arguments.
One clarification about the spoiler vs aileron debate. Spoilers reduce lift, true. Ailerons create drag. Both destroy an equal amount of energy at a time it is most needed. I have learned never to speculate on the cause of an accident in the early days but I will say the wx didn't look good at the time for any airplane.

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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by KAG » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:05 am

Truly this accidents breaks my heart. Good advice, hug your kids.
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by ehbuddy » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:29 am

7 total on board. Whats the range of the MU2 with that kind of load? Approx distance flown was 564 miles which does seem reasonable.
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Re: Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

Post by The Raven » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:59 am

I read somewhere that they hit a hill south of the airport. Anyone know how high the hills in that area are?
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