Citation down North of Kelowna

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Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by Its What I do » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:00 am

Just heard last night 10:30pm went off radar .
4 dead .
Cessna Citation ??????
Anyone know anymore???


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Cessna citation crash near Kelowna

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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by Its What I do » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:21 am

Flightaware show C-GTNG departing Kelowna and off radar at 9:36pm

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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by Lowjack » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:05 am

Media reporting that former Alberta Premier Jim Prentice may have been on board.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by upup_away » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:30 am

There has been some nasty weather over Western Canada lately.

Condolences to the families of everyone on board. Rest in peace.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by jpilot77 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:20 am

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canad ... board-says

Yeah seems like he was onboard. RIP.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by daedalusx » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:24 am

upup_away wrote:There has been some nasty weather over Western Canada lately.
A) No it hasn't. Not in CYLW lately.

B) Theres no wx that would cause you to go -2000fpm on a 500. Even on 1 engine.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by cncpc » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:36 am

daedalusx wrote:
upup_away wrote:There has been some nasty weather over Western Canada lately.
A) No it hasn't. Not in CYLW lately.

B) Theres no wx that would cause you to go -2000fpm on a 500. Even on 1 engine.
Wrong fuel?
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by AllClutch » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:43 am

A jet should be able to burn 100LL for a long time.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by Zaibatsu » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:48 am

Icing would be my guess.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by Oscar » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:52 am

Condolences to all involved.

Long duty day, regardless if split duty, wouldn't have helped deal with emergency issues. Especially if single pilot. Easy to make mistakes, pull the wrong lever after losing an engine, etc. Could have been medical, who knows.

The TSB is incredible at what they do, I'm sure they'll get it figured out in due time.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by ragbagflyer » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:01 am

GTNT took off from YLW five minutes after I did yesterday; I doubt it was weather related. My condolences to those affected.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by cncpc » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:15 am

AllClutch wrote:A jet should be able to burn 100LL for a long time.
Yes, thanks, I've found that out.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by cncpc » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:17 am

Oscar wrote:Condolences to all involved.

Long duty day, regardless if split duty, wouldn't have helped deal with emergency issues. Especially if single pilot. Easy to make mistakes, pull the wrong lever after losing an engine, etc. Could have been medical, who knows.

The TSB is incredible at what they do, I'm sure they'll get it figured out in due time.
This was a privately registered aircraft. But all good points.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by fixedpitch » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:24 am

GTNT took off from YLW five minutes after I did yesterday; I doubt it was weather related. My condolences to those affected.
So no icing conditions were present in the area at the time?
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by DanWEC » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:38 am

Jim Prentice, former AB premiere, was aboard the plane. RIP to all.
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Post by ragbagflyer » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:05 pm

fixedpitch wrote:
So no icing conditions were present in the area at the time?
Nothing of any significance.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by '97 Tercel » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:40 pm

Here's the 10pm metar if I copied the right one...


SA 14/10/2016 05:00->
METAR CYLW 140500Z AUTO 01007KT 8SM -RA BKN006 OVC018 07/06
A2941 RMK PRESFR PCPN 0.5MM PAST HR SLP970=


Condolences to the families having the worst day of their life right now.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by oldncold » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:35 pm

The 3? I have are
1) was there a strong jet stream or Mountain wave in the Kelowna area those have been known to exceed 3000ft min
2)medical issues
3) did aircraft have inflight structural failure
Note this is not speculation. But?
To his family I was fortunate to have met him 1 once. When he was industry minister. Also he took the time to answer my opposition to the sale of mc Donald Dwettwiller to ALLIANZ. Re sar sat 2 technology it spoke volumes to me about the kind of guy he was. My sincere condolences to his family and to also to the families of all on board.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by Coast-dog » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:50 pm

Terrible news, condolences to all family and friends :(
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by pdw » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:02 pm

ragbagflyer wrote:
fixedpitch wrote:
So no icing conditions were present in the area at the time?
Nothing of any significance.
Well .. okay ..your post is made 305pm.
FYI there's a radar image publicized for 9:40pm last night shown on CBC 3:45pm today by Chris, of the wx network. Seems there ... if you performed a right turnout at YLW off rwy16 for climbout west could encounter markedly different precip in climb than in the left turnout into a northeast climbout east of Kelowna.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by cncpc » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:24 pm

oldncold wrote:The 3? I have are
1) was there a strong jet stream or Mountain wave in the Kelowna area those have been known to exceed 3000ft min
2)medical issues
3) did aircraft have inflight structural failure
Note this is not speculation. But?
To his family I was fortunate to have met him 1 once. When he was industry minister. Also he took the time to answer my opposition to the sale of mc Donald Dwettwiller to ALLIANZ. Re sar sat 2 technology it spoke volumes to me about the kind of guy he was. My sincere condolences to his family and to also to the families of all on board.
Jim Prentice was an outstanding Canadian.
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by cncpc » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:28 pm

pdw wrote:
ragbagflyer wrote:
fixedpitch wrote:
So no icing conditions were present in the area at the time?
Nothing of any significance.
Well .. okay ..your post is made 305pm.
FYI there's a radar image publicized for 9:40pm last night shown on CBC 3:45pm today by Chris, of the wx network. Seems there ... if you performed a right turnout at YLW off rwy16 for climbout west could encounter markedly different precip in climb than in the left turnout into a northeast climbout east of Kelowna.
I spent a fair amount of time sitting in a relative's house at Black Mountain in Rutland this summer and every jet I saw coming of 16 climbed straight ahead and abeam Black Mountain started a climbing left turn for eastern points.

Do we know they departed off 16. The METAR seems to favor 34, no?
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Re: Citation down North of Kelowna

Post by cncpc » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:30 pm

DanWEC wrote:Jim Prentice, former AB premiere, was aboard the plane. RIP to all.
The Star has this report, naming another passenger...

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/201 ... crash.html
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