Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

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Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by dhc# » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:11 pm

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Two Porter Airlines crew members injured after near-miss with drone

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Re: Two Porter Airlines crew members injured after near-miss with drone

Post by jschnurr » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:24 pm

Who is flying a drone at 9000 way out there?
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Re: Two Porter Airlines crew members injured after near-miss with drone

Post by GyvAir » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:55 pm

Yeah, the story does seem a little odd.
Who gets up at 7:30am on a Monday to fly a drone at 9000' out over the lake?
FlightAware doesn't show any deviation in the flight path. FlightRadar24's path makes it look more like they went back to try to find it than an avoidance maneuver.
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Re: Two Porter Airlines crew members injured after near-miss with drone

Post by nightbird » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:00 pm

That sounds way too high for a drone, plus the article says "likely" so they're not even sure of what they saw. Could've been balloons for all we know..
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Re: Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by pipo king » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:18 pm

I will have to tell you that a drone doesn't have the ability to fly at 9,000 feet or nearly 2745 m.
A drone fly at 200m. 300m max is less than 1000 feet.

We do not use meteo ballon since a while. we have google earth J. staellites and gps. no ballon is use by scientist in 2016.

It look likes we have a UFO sightings we clown talking bullshit.

Close encounter happen. live and now.
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Re: Two Porter Airlines crew members injured after near-miss with drone

Post by FL410 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:40 pm

More info here. Sounds like they ducked under it: http://avherald.com/h?article=4a0c1940&opt=0
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Re: Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by AirFrame » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:12 pm

Nothing will change until an airplane is actually brought down by a drone. "Whew, that was close!" won't cut it.

No, that's not a challenge... It's just one man's opinion how this is going to play out in the long run. Eventually, a plane will be brought down. I hope it's not me.
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Re: Two Porter Airlines crew members injured after near-miss with drone

Post by dashx » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:54 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Eezjr_4_IY

Near miss as explained by the late great George Carlin......
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Re: Two Porter Airlines crew members injured after near-miss with drone

Post by ChrisEvans » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:22 pm

So 730am on a Monday - 12 miles out over Lake Ontario - at or about 9000 feet ???

I'm not saying they didn't see something - but it sounds very odd.
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Re: Two Porter Airlines crew members injured after near-miss with drone

Post by jschnurr » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:34 pm

Speculation based on its guestimated size and location (from avherald link above) is it may have been a USA border patrol drone.
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Re: Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by cap41 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:28 pm

pipo king wrote:I will have to tell you that a drone doesn't have the ability to fly at 9,000 feet or nearly 2745 m.
A drone fly at 200m. 300m max is less than 1000 feet.

We do not use meteo ballon since a while. we have google earth J. staellites and gps. no ballon is use by scientist in 2016.

It look likes we have a UFO sightings we clown talking bullshit.

Close encounter happen. live and now.
Flying at 2500 feet over Toronto Was warned by ATC of a drone at my altitude. Sure enough there it was at 2500 feet.
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Re: Two Porter Airlines crew members injured after near-miss with drone

Post by AirFrame » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:04 pm

Service ceiling of the DJI Phantom 4 (high-end, but consumer-available drone) is over 19,000' ASL. Even the cheaper ones can do half that without much trouble.
http://www.dji.com/phantom-4/info#specs
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Re: Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by AirFrame » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:07 pm

pipo king wrote:I will have to tell you that a drone doesn't have the ability to fly at 9,000 feet or nearly 2745 m.
A drone fly at 200m. 300m max is less than 1000 feet.
I know pipo king is on his first post, so maybe he's a troll, but just in case... Service ceiling of the DJI Phantom 4 (which is high-end, but still a common consumer-available drone) is over 19,000' ASL. Even cheaper non-DJI drones can do half that without much trouble.
http://www.dji.com/phantom-4/info#specs
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Re: Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by kevenv » Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:36 am

AirFrame wrote:
pipo king wrote:I will have to tell you that a drone doesn't have the ability to fly at 9,000 feet or nearly 2745 m.
A drone fly at 200m. 300m max is less than 1000 feet.
I know pipo king is on his first post, so maybe he's a troll, but just in case... Service ceiling of the DJI Phantom 4 (which is high-end, but still a common consumer-available drone) is over 19,000' ASL. Even cheaper non-DJI drones can do half that without much trouble.
http://www.dji.com/phantom-4/info#specs
What max range could you reasonable expect to control this from?
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Post by AirFrame » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:50 am

kevenv wrote:What max range could you reasonable expect to control this from?
Good question. I only looked at the ceiling range on their webpage, maybe control range is there too. My *guess* is that if you were up that high with it, it would be in some kind of autonomous mode... Programmed to go to X spot on earth at Y altitude, and return, without intervention.

I'd guess you would have no control over it to avoid traffic if any came along.
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Post by MCB » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:18 am

AirFrame wrote:
kevenv wrote:What max range could you reasonable expect to control this from?
Good question. I only looked at the ceiling range on their webpage, maybe control range is there too. My *guess* is that if you were up that high with it, it would be in some kind of autonomous mode... Programmed to go to X spot on earth at Y altitude, and return, without intervention.

I'd guess you would have no control over it to avoid traffic if any came along.
I own a Chroma drone http://www.horizonhobby.com/product/mul ... o3-blh8675

I have called their support line before and inquired about range and service ceiling. By default, the drone is capped at 400' vertically and several thousand feet horizontally. By connecting the remote to a PC, it is very easy to change these values to much higher. I wanted to have them clarify what a max range would be prior to losing the signal. They would not give me a definitive answer for either height or distance. Like most receivers, it is highly dependent on line of sight and interference. Based on his explanation on the phone, it could go several miles and quite high before reception is lost.

There are also many videos I've seen online that explain how to strengthen the signal of the transmitter.

Disclaimer - I keep mine at 400' and operate it far away from airports! The aerial footage is spectacular though!
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Re: Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by AuxBatOn » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:32 am

pipo king wrote:I will have to tell you that a drone doesn't have the ability to fly at 9,000 feet or nearly 2745 m.
A drone fly at 200m. 300m max is less than 1000 feet.

We do not use meteo ballon since a while. we have google earth J. staellites and gps. no ballon is use by scientist in 2016.

It look likes we have a UFO sightings we clown talking bullshit.

Close encounter happen. live and now.

A MQ-4 is a drone. It can fly at 50,000 ft. The X-47 is also a drone and can fly at least in the mid-20s. Your statement isn't entirely accurate yet it sounds definitive.
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Re: Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by C-FABH » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:26 pm

TSB #A16O0158:
C-GLQL, a de Havilland DHC-8-402 aircraft operated by Porter Airlines, was conducting flight POE204 from Ottawa/MacDonald-Cartier Intl, ON (CYOW) to Toronto/Billy Bishop Toronto City, ON (CYTZ). While passing through 8300 feet approximately 29 nautical miles East on the initial approach to CYTZ, the flight crew noticed an object directly ahead on their flight path. The object appeared to be solid, approximately 5 to 8 feet in diameter and shaped like an upright doughnut or inner tube. There appeared to be no relative movement and the object was rapidly getting closer to the aircraft. The captain overrode the autopilot in order to quickly descend the aircraft under the object. The object passed slightly to the right and above the aircraft. There was no impact. Both cabin crew members were in the process of securing the cabin for arrival and were not seated. They received minor injuries when they were thrown into the cabin structure. The aircraft subsequently landed at CYTZ without further incident. There were no reported passenger injuries or damage to the aircraft.
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Re: Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by linecrew » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:21 am

If you were to fill a tractor inner tube with helium would it float away?
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Re: Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by kevenv » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:51 am

linecrew wrote:If you were to fill a tractor inner tube with helium would it float away?
This giant soccer ball floats away (2:15 in the video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n55kYcvMlkY
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Re: Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by Heliian » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:04 am

linecrew wrote:If you were to fill a tractor inner tube with helium would it float away?
It might if it was thin enough and big enough.
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Re: Porter Q400 Near Miss with Drone

Post by GyvAir » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:43 am

They get to about this size before they let go. Probably not quite meeting the laws of physics requirements for getting airborne when inflated with helium:

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