WestJet almost puts one in the drink

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Why did it take a full 45 minutes for a subsequent approach and landing? Any go-around I've ever done usually leads to another approach within 10-15 minutes, not dependant on other traffic of course.

Maybe they needed to change their underwear?
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The tower closed the airport apparently for 45 minutes after the near accident. Not sure why.
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lol Unless that pic is photoshopped they're pretty damn low. There's just no way they should be low enough to be disturbing water with either thrust or wake. Argue all you want about the exact height but that's no stable approach, even if the threshold is just outside the frame.

I'm guessing they were nervous about the field and dragging it in to make sure they didn't land long. But kinda overdid it. Good call to go around, at least.
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FlightRadar24 graph certainly shows them going very low on the first approach:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 52#caa236c

I'm surprised a professional aviation journalist such as Christine Negroni was not all over that in her article.
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Maybe they were experimenting with Hot Temperature Corrections.
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@ complexintentions...
lol Unless that pic is photoshopped they're pretty damn low. There's just no way they should be low enough to be disturbing water with either thrust or wake. Argue all you want about the exact height but that's no stable approach, even if the threshold is just outside the frame.
I think what most perceive as wake turbulence or thrust agitating the water is in fact wrong. The darker blue waters is IMO a shallow wave that's moving. It is not directly inline with the aircraft but seems to be south of the flight path. I also took a look at other pictures shot in the same area and there were darker blue waters showing up in other directions too... I think this is just a coincidence.
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For sure it is an interesting event.

But something really looks a bit off, if that is really down wash and or engine thrust wake it sure looks to be quite close to the airplane...close as in not very far back...

Weird for sure, but Westjet will have a better picture of what really happened.
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Jet Jockey wrote: I think what most perceive as wake turbulence or thrust agitating the water is in fact wrong. The darker blue waters is IMO a shallow wave that's moving. It is not directly inline with the aircraft but seems to be south of the flight path. I also took a look at other pictures shot in the same area and there were darker blue waters showing up in other directions too... I think this is just a coincidence.
Possible, I guess. Pretty big coincidence to have a wave roughly the width of the a/c that just happens to appear to start directly behind and extend along the flight path. Stranger things, though.

I had a look at their track. They appeared to hold on a fix on the extended centreline of the runway, but then headed north for a second approach. There's probably some procedural reason but to spare me trying to find the chart does anyone who operates there know why?
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Ancient wrote:makes me wonder if Canadian pilots struggle in warmer climates
This is a joke, right?
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If it's not a fake, their FOQA people will have plenty of work on their hands for this one.
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Yeah Westjet is going to be in a lot of trouble when Westjet gets a hold of them.
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The FlightRadar 24 data shows a very low first approach - the altitude of the aircraft is showing as 'zero' with the location still well out over the water. :shock: :shock:

This is consistent with the photo.

Any more comments from Lauren Stewart?

For those of you who want to dismiss the FR24 data - in the recent 747 crash in Bishkek the FR24 data showed exactly what was later confirmed by investigators.
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Here is a video taken from the other side of the bay. I think this should settle the issue of whether or not the original pics were photoshopped..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNhAYKM-7LQ
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Jesus... I bet those guys had skid marks as long as their wake on the water. That Disney frozen paint job would have made an interesting artificial reef.

*just watched the video and it looked breezy. Will be interesting to read what happened but if I was to purely GUESS, we all love that, my money would be on wind shear.
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Never doubted the picture... Close call indeed!

LOL... People applauding the second approach.
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Does Westjet do Constant Descent Angle (CDA) Non-Precision Approaches, or the "Dive & Drive" steps?
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Here are two screen captures of the flight profile on Flightradar24 (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 52#caa236c). The pics show the different altitudes at the same place on both approaches.
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