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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by complexintentions » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:54 am

pelmet wrote:
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Well, yes. And no. On our aircraft we cannot physically see our wingtips so we do have to depend on marshallers, wing walkers, and electronic guidance systems. If they give faulty guidance there are definitely situations where we'll hit things without being able to prevent it. Not sure how you could claim that we "messed up" in such a situation.
Misleading at best.....

In the end, it is really just good judgement and average skill that is required. The idea that not being able to see your wingtips means that you "have to depend on marshallers" is not entirely true. I have been on a tight-spaced ramp plenty of times in an aircraft with no wingtips visible from the cockpit where a 180 degree turn was required. It was a regular stop for us with aircraft parked very close to where we were maneuvering and no marshaller available for guidance until you have turned around and are facing him at which point you finally get some marshalling for the least risky portion of the entire parking maneuver....straight to the final stopping point. Meanwhile there have been wing clearance issues and blast issues during the majority of the maneuver into the ramp that was done without the marshaller.

Bottom line(and to clarify), there are operations and situations out there on a regular basis where aircraft having wingtips their pilot can't see are maneuvering in relatively confined locations. Admittedly, this is normally airlines at smaller airports or business jets on tight ramps intead of the widebodies which seem to have mostly major airport/airline style taxi-in situations. And depending on the situation, these aircraft do not necessarily require marshallers for all maneuvering in confined areas as was stated earlier. If things look tight, then most of us have stopped at one point and gotten help. There may be a lot more to this incident than simply misjudging wing clearance.

Speaking about the standard parking at the gate maneuver, I do try to remember to look for the aircraft type on the electronic guidance and that the ramp is clear even if being marshalled/guided in. Here is what can happen if you completely "depend" on marshalling/signals and don't take a look for stuff accidentally left on the ramp(usually inside angled yellow demarcation lines)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu2xQLEE8a4
No, pelmet, my statement is not misleading in the slightest. As usual you are just talking out of your rear orifice.

There is no way we would ever be doing a 180 degree turn on any ramp as our operations don't permit it. Even on a runway, a 180 is a captain-only manoeuvre as it's considered higher-risk due to the turning radius. (You need a minimum of 185 feet of width, and that's standing on the inside brake with the mains planted along one edge - not much fun in the dark on a shitty night somewhere like MLE.) As such your little anecdote is completely irrelevant to my comments. And there is no way we "try to remember" to check the electronic guidance for proper type: if it's wrong, or not displayed, we are mandated to stop immediately and wait until it's either correctly displayed or a human marshaller is dispatched. We can't just taxi until the "final stopping point". All of this to say, it just doesn't sound like your operations resemble mine in the slightest. We absolutely DO require marshalling for ALL maneuvering in confined areas - contrary to your statement.

What type are you flying that you claim to not be able to see your wingtips from the cockpit? I don't think you really grasp what I mean by that. I mean there is no angle whatsoever from which any part of the wings are viewable from the cockpit of a B777, and the wingspan is 212 feet. I'm not talking about not being able to see them because it's dark, or they're too far away, or the sun is in my eyes. There is no possible way to see them. Judging distance with depth perception is a tad difficult if you can't see something. Using visible cues in a tight situation is a possibility in most types, every other one I've every flown, in fact. A poor idea in some situations, but at least a possibility. It simply isn't for us, and thus yes, we do have to depend heavily on marshallers/wing walkers, as I said, more than on other types. How is that "misleading"?

And, as you typically do, you've gone on a tangent to address things no one commented on, such as checking the area as you approach the stand. I guess it's just easier to win debates that you start with yourself? :mrgreen:
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by pelmet » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:35 am

complexintentions wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:54 am
pelmet wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:57 pm
complexintentions wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:43 pm
Well, yes. And no. On our aircraft we cannot physically see our wingtips so we do have to depend on marshallers, wing walkers, and electronic guidance systems. If they give faulty guidance there are definitely situations where we'll hit things without being able to prevent it. Not sure how you could claim that we "messed up" in such a situation.
Misleading at best.....

In the end, it is really just good judgement and average skill that is required. The idea that not being able to see your wingtips means that you "have to depend on marshallers" is not entirely true. I have been on a tight-spaced ramp plenty of times in an aircraft with no wingtips visible from the cockpit where a 180 degree turn was required. It was a regular stop for us with aircraft parked very close to where we were maneuvering and no marshaller available for guidance until you have turned around and are facing him at which point you finally get some marshalling for the least risky portion of the entire parking maneuver....straight to the final stopping point. Meanwhile there have been wing clearance issues and blast issues during the majority of the maneuver into the ramp that was done without the marshaller.

Bottom line(and to clarify), there are operations and situations out there on a regular basis where aircraft having wingtips their pilot can't see are maneuvering in relatively confined locations. Admittedly, this is normally airlines at smaller airports or business jets on tight ramps intead of the widebodies which seem to have mostly major airport/airline style taxi-in situations. And depending on the situation, these aircraft do not necessarily require marshallers for all maneuvering in confined areas as was stated earlier. If things look tight, then most of us have stopped at one point and gotten help. There may be a lot more to this incident than simply misjudging wing clearance.

Speaking about the standard parking at the gate maneuver, I do try to remember to look for the aircraft type on the electronic guidance and that the ramp is clear even if being marshalled/guided in. Here is what can happen if you completely "depend" on marshalling/signals and don't take a look for stuff accidentally left on the ramp(usually inside angled yellow demarcation lines)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu2xQLEE8a4
No, pelmet, my statement is not misleading in the slightest.

There is no way we would ever be doing a 180 degree turn on any ramp as our operations don't permit it. Even on a runway, a 180 is a captain-only manoeuvre as it's considered higher-risk due to the turning radius. (You need a minimum of 185 feet of width, and that's standing on the inside brake with the mains planted along one edge - not much fun in the dark on a shitty night somewhere like MLE.) As such your little anecdote is completely irrelevant to my comments. And there is no way we "try to remember" to check the electronic guidance for proper type: if it's wrong, or not displayed, we are mandated to stop immediately and wait until it's either correctly displayed or a human marshaller is dispatched. We can't just taxi until the "final stopping point". All of this to say, it just doesn't sound like your operations resemble mine in the slightest. We absolutely DO require marshalling for ALL maneuvering in confined areas - contrary to your statement.

What type are you flying that you claim to not be able to see your wingtips from the cockpit? I don't think you really grasp what I mean by that. I mean there is no angle whatsoever from which any part of the wings are viewable from the cockpit of a B777, and the wingspan is 212 feet. I'm not talking about not being able to see them because it's dark, or they're too far away, or the sun is in my eyes. There is no possible way to see them. Judging distance with depth perception is a tad difficult if you can't see something. Using visible cues in a tight situation is a possibility in most types, every other one I've every flown, in fact. A poor idea in some situations, but at least a possibility. It simply isn't for us, and thus yes, we do have to depend heavily on marshallers/wing walkers, as I said, more than on other types. How is that "misleading"?

And, as you typically do, you've gone on a tangent to address things no one commented on, such as checking the area as you approach the stand. I guess it's just easier to win debates that you start with yourself? :mrgreen:
Sorry, your statement "On our aircraft we cannot physically see our wingtips so we do have to depend on marshallers, wing walkers, and electronic guidance systems" could easily mislead someone. Not because I doubt that you are using marshallers, etc but because the statement can be easily interpreted as....if you can't see your wingtips then marshallers, guidance systems, etc are a requirement. That may not be what you meant but that is how it could easily be interpreted. Nitpicking? perhaps but there are a lot of lower experienced pilots here who may wrongly interpret your statements, therefore I am clarifying.

There are aircraft out there with the same issue of wingtips not visible from the cockpit that are doing maneuvering in confined areas as I have seen first hand many times. There are no doubt plenty of other swept-wing jets where you can't see the wingtips. I think you will find that this includes some business jets.

Being the accurate person that I am, you will also notice that I made a qualification in my earlier post that widebody jets typically are marshalled into wherever they park. But remember, you can see the wingtips from the cockpit on some of these big jets, even the biggest:) so the reason for them always being marshalled goes beyond not being able to see wingtips.

Getting back to this incident, I suppose one can see their wingtips in a Citation aircraft like the one in the ramp collision but who knows if there was a co-pilot. The right wingtip may not have been visible to the pilot in the left seat. Once again, there may be more to this story than just a error in estimating clearance by a pilot conscientious taxiing carefully.

As for my other information posted about the incident ....you can call it going off on a tangent to post information showing how an accident can happen while being marshalled into the gate but I call it spreading safety information and giving specific examples of how to prevent an accident right here on an accident/incident forum. That is my goal and I am confident that a comparison of my posts to yours would show much more real-world accident prevention information in my posts by far. While there are those out there who try to belittle such things, I will continue to post about such incidents and discuss preventing them. It is too important not to do so.

And just because no one has commented on a subject, it doesn't mean that it is not worthy to bring the subject up. The one I brought up(the so-called tangent) is related to this overall subject ie. collision during ramp ops. If not related, I will start a new thread. I noticed another post from you recently making a similar statement about the subjects in my posts. Feel free to set up yourself to block them if there is an issue.

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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by linecrew » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:25 am

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Thanks "linecrew", you've made me realize the error of my ways - and I feel shame. I will no longer expect pilots to look out the windows while taxiing and make sure they aren't going to hit anything with their aircraft.

If you happened to be the guy marshalling him I hope you gave him a big hug and told him it wasn't his fault.
Your original post was extremely specific, accusatory and defaming and that is what I responded to. Your exact words were, "Program shit into your radios and screens before you start to move the aircraft!!".

My retort was not about the issue of the pilot looking out the window or not, it was about you claiming that you knew the exact cause of the accident playing judge and jury. I don't dispute that the attention wasn't where it should have been, I'm saying you'r post showed poor judgement and clearly showed that you 'shot from the hip'.

Now you've turned you anger at me...hey, no worries. I have thick skin I understand that you might be going through some tough times, so carry on. Fire me a PM, if you like, so you don't further embarrass yourself in the open forum.
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by Cliff Jumper » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:31 pm

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Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:25 am
My retort was not about the issue of the pilot looking out the window or not, it was about you claiming that you knew the exact cause of the accident playing judge and jury.

I don't dispute that the attention wasn't where it should have been, I'm saying you'r post showed poor judgement and clearly showed that you 'shot from the hip'.
So mis-attention was the cause, Judge Linecrew?

Couldn't have been a brake failure?
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by linecrew » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:49 pm

Cliff Jumper wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:31 pm
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Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:25 am
My retort was not about the issue of the pilot looking out the window or not, it was about you claiming that you knew the exact cause of the accident playing judge and jury.

I don't dispute that the attention wasn't where it should have been, I'm saying you'r post showed poor judgement and clearly showed that you 'shot from the hip'.
So mis-attention was the cause, Judge Linecrew?

Couldn't have been a brake failure?
Oh, go fornicate yourself.....
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by Cliff Jumper » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:28 pm

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Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:49 pm
Oh, go fornicate yourself.....
Sorry to upset you, I was just trying to point out the same thing as you were trying to point out.

That everyone is jumping to conclusions that they are sooooo certain of.

Status quo for Avcanada unfortunately.
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by Beefitarian » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:49 am

So if the brakes fail, brush another plane with the wing to slow down?

No thank you. I would risk getting fired for insubordination if that is company's SOP for brake failure.
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by upnatem » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:11 pm

linerew - I have no anger in me. I do have some sadness related to the state of aviation these days. As I said I am indebted to you for showing me the error of my ways. I certainly did say program your radios and such before taxiing, but anyone with more than a grade 3 education would realize in general that means "look outside" when the plane's moving. Now I realize, thanks to you, that an expectation such as that is foolish in this day and age, so I recant my position.

And I do genuinely hope the pilot got a hug to sooth his hurt feelings.
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by GyvAir » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:20 pm

" Occurrence Summary
Date Entered:
2018-04-25
Narrative:
UPDATE TSB Report #A18C0018: An American privately registered Cessna C550 Citation Bravo aircraft, was conducting a flight from Winnipeg/James Armstrong Richardson Intl, MB (CYWG) to Bedford/Laurence G Hanscom Field, MA (KBED). After starting the engines on Apron II at CYWG while under the guidance of a ground marshaller, C550 began to taxi for the departure. During the initial turn from the parking area, aircraft control was lost and C550's right wing collided with the nose gear of C-FXWT, a Bombardier CL-600-2B16 (Challenger 605) aircraft, which was parked. The pilot of C550 subsequently shutdown the aircraft and exited with the passenger without injuries. The right wing of C550 was substantially damaged, causing a fuel leak on the apron. The left wing of C-FXWT was also damaged in the collision by the nose of C550. Local 911 was advised of the collision and fuel leak. ARFF was dispatched to the site, and the fuel leak was contained. "
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by pelmet » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:02 pm

GyvAir wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:20 pm
Occurrence Summary
Date Entered:
2018-04-25
Narrative:
" ....aircraft control was lost ...."
Unfortunately, no further detail.
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by Cliff Jumper » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:33 pm

I thought you all said the pilot wasn't looking outside??

That's a weird way to describe it.... maybe they meant the PIC lost control of his neck muscles.
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by linecrew » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:24 am

upnatem wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:07 pm
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Yeah, pretty much. Let me know when you find out I'm wrong.
Sounds like you have the inside scoop...care to share with the rest of us?
Let's see.......clear day, middle of afternoon, taxis directly into (no wingtip brush here) a parked aircraft. How much "inside scoop" do you need to figure out they weren't looking outside.
Proof that sometimes spewing inflammatory speculation is unprofessional and poor form. It also makes you look bad in the eyes of your peers.

http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-r ... 8c0018.asp
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by pelmet » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:31 am

There are no shortage of clueless people who have no idea what they are talking about. Good example from Upnatem.

That being said, if you operate an aircraft with an emergency brake, it can be helpful to simulate what you should do on the event of a brake failure every once in a while.

Instinct may make you just try to apply more and more brake pressure, when this action has become useless instead of taking a different action.

Trust me, I have been there in a black ice situation leading to a vehicle incident.
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by TeePeeCreeper » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:50 pm

pelmet wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:31 am
There are no shortage of clueless people who have no idea what they are talking about. Good example here.

That being said, if you opérante an aircraft with an emergency brake, it can be helpful to simulate what you should do on the event of a brake failure every once in a while.

Instinct may make you just try to apply more and more brake pressure, when this action has become useless instead of taking a different action.

Trust me, I have been there in a black ice situation leading to a vehicle incident.
Oh great one, shit disturber of them all. Please regal us all with the lack lustre tail that you forgot to enlighten us with this time around....

I’ve set my parking break and await your witty response shortly!
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by pelmet » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:57 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:50 pm
pelmet wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:31 am
There are no shortage of clueless people who have no idea what they are talking about. Good example here.

That being said, if you operate an aircraft with an emergency brake, it can be helpful to simulate what you should do on the event of a brake failure every once in a while.

Instinct may make you just try to apply more and more brake pressure, when this action has become useless instead of taking a different action.

Trust me, I have been there in a black ice situation leading to a vehicle incident.
Please regal us all with the lack lustre tail that you forgot to enlighten us with this time around....

I’ve set my parking break and await your witty response shortly!
Parking BREAK? REGAL us? Lack lustre TAIL?

Wow. At least you are good for a laugh, even when you have no idea why. Who needs to even try to be witty with you posting here. I doubt you could figure it out anyway.
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by TeePeeCreeper » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:22 pm

pelmet wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:57 pm
TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:50 pm
pelmet wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:31 am
There are no shortage of clueless people who have no idea what they are talking about. Good example here.

That being said, if you operate an aircraft with an emergency brake, it can be helpful to simulate what you should do on the event of a brake failure every once in a while.

Instinct may make you just try to apply more and more brake pressure, when this action has become useless instead of taking a different action.

Trust me, I have been there in a black ice situation leading to a vehicle incident.
Please regal us all with the lack lustre tail that you forgot to enlighten us with this time around....

I’ve set my parking break and await your witty response shortly!
Parking BREAK? REGAL us? Lack lustre TAIL?

Wow. At least you are good for a laugh, even when you have no idea why. Who needs to even try to be witty with you posting here. I doubt you could figure it out anyway.
The best you can do is resort to nit picking spelling and grammar? Sad.
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by DonutHole » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:25 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:22 pm
pelmet wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:57 pm
TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:50 pm


Please regal us all with the lack lustre tail that you forgot to enlighten us with this time around....

I’ve set my parking break and await your witty response shortly!


Parking BREAK? REGAL us? Lack lustre TAIL?

Wow. At least you are good for a laugh, even when you have no idea why. Who needs to even try to be witty with you posting here. I doubt you could figure it out anyway.
The best you can do is resort to nit picking spelling and grammar? Sad.
Get back to work slacker
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by 7ECA » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:27 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:22 pm
The best you can do is resort to nit picking spelling and grammar? Sad.
He's a bit like this fellow:

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Sort of like that topic about how pelmet refuses to accept that a report of smoke in an aircraft should be dealt with as an immediate emergency until proven otherwise - instead wanting 100% proof that said smoke is actually from a fire...
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by pelmet » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:19 pm

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Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:22 pm
The best you can do is resort to nit picking spelling and grammar? Sad.
As compared to.......insults.

Perhaps you could give an informed opinion on the informed opinion that I posted earlier if you happen to disagree with it. Or is that asking too much of you.

I'd say what is actually sad is when someone posts some information that could help prevent an accident, you give a grade three level response.

Go ahead...give an informed opinion based on your expertise on what could be done to prevent a recurrence. You might discover that intelligent discussion is enjoyable. I assume you have a piloting background and perhaps have something to add.
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by TeePeeCreeper » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:47 pm

pelmet wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:19 pm
TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:22 pm
The best you can do is resort to nit picking spelling and grammar? Sad.
As compared to.......insults.

Perhaps you could give an informed opinion on the informed opinion that I posted earlier if you happen to disagree with it. Or is that asking too much of you.

I'd say what is actually sad is when someone posts some information that could help prevent an accident, you give a grade three level response.

Go ahead...give an informed opinion based on your expertise on what could be done to prevent a recurrence. You might discover that intelligent discussion is enjoyable. I assume you have a piloting background and perhaps have something to add.
With all due respect I already have done so. It is you who disliked my cheeky comment and took offence as you so aptly put it and I paraphrase; “a third graders response”.

Are you always argumentative and demeaning to those who dare disagree with you?

If you genuinely wish to spar with intellect and a reasonable amount of logic (my kid is in grade 3. He also knows how to speak to his peers and adults without resorting to belittling them) than by all means promote such diaologue....

It’s almost as simple as remembering that one has set the parking break or hasn’t really!
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by pelmet » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:08 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:47 pm
pelmet wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:19 pm
TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:22 pm
The best you can do is resort to nit picking spelling and grammar? Sad.
As compared to.......insults.

Perhaps you could give an informed opinion on the informed opinion that I posted earlier if you happen to disagree with it. Or is that asking too much of you.

I'd say what is actually sad is when someone posts some information that could help prevent an accident, you give a grade three level response.

Go ahead...give an informed opinion based on your expertise on what could be done to prevent a recurrence. You might discover that intelligent discussion is enjoyable. I assume you have a piloting background and perhaps have something to add.
With all due respect I already have done so. It is you who disliked my cheeky comment and took offence as you so aptly put it and I paraphrase; “a third graders response”.

Are you always argumentative and demeaning to those who dare disagree with you?

If you genuinely wish to spar with intellect and a reasonable amount of logic (my kid is in grade 3. He also knows how to speak to his peers and adults without resorting to belittling them) than by all means promote such diaologue....

It’s almost as simple as remembering that one has set the parking break or hasn’t really!
I'll take all that to mean that we won't get an informed opinion from you on the incident which as far as I can tell is what I tried to do after the final report was posted here. Sorry if you felt a suggestion to prevent an accident is somehow argumentative or demeaning.

Sorry of you feel belittled for my response to your "cheeky comment". Perhaps you feel the comment fits your definition of intellect. I did review the thread in an attempt to find a post where you feel that "with all due respect" you have given an informed opinion on this incident. Only your two recent posts were found. If that is the best you can do then.....

.....Thanks for the input.

Bottom line...I made a valid statement of an idea that might prevent an accident, you called me a shit-disturber for it and then you complain to me that I am belittling, argumentative, and demeaning. Interesting.
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by youhavecontrol » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:26 am

"Transport Canada is investigating." ...sounds like some of you should get a job at Transport Canada so you can have the inside scoop!
Sometimes I wonder why certain investigations take so long to come out... perhaps the people at TC are furiously fighting with each other just like we do.

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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by TeePeeCreeper » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:33 am

DonutHole wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:25 pm
TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:22 pm
pelmet wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:57 pm




Parking BREAK? REGAL us? Lack lustre TAIL?

Wow. At least you are good for a laugh, even when you have no idea why. Who needs to even try to be witty with you posting here. I doubt you could figure it out anyway.
The best you can do is resort to nit picking spelling and grammar? Sad.
Get back to work slacker
LOL! Hope you and your missus are enjoying Mexico! Send my regards to the gang. :)

PS: Why are you on Avcanda and not at the pool side bar?!?
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by DonutHole » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:38 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:33 am
DonutHole wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:25 pm
TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:22 pm


The best you can do is resort to nit picking spelling and grammar? Sad.
Get back to work slacker
LOL! Hope you and your missus are enjoying Mexico! Send my regards to the gang. :)

PS: Why are you on Avcanda and not at the pool side bar?!?
No pool side bar at the hangar :) sent her with m.i.l.

Such a sucker
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Re: TSB investigating after 2 private jets crash on the ground at Winnipeg airport

Post by pelmet » Fri May 31, 2019 5:37 am

pelmet wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:57 pm
Speaking about the standard parking at the gate maneuver, I do try to remember to look for the aircraft type on the electronic guidance and that the ramp is clear even if being marshalled/guided in.
Here is an example of an incident showing the importance of checking the guidance system is set for your specific aircraft type. A321 where the guidance system was set up for A320....

https://twitter.com/jonk/status/5996868 ... 68/photo/1
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