St. Catherines Flying Club - lawsuit re October 16, 2016 fatal crash

[photofly]

Who says they sell it as PPL training

Because they put the fucking instructor in the right seat and the fucking instructors’ fucking PPL student in the left seat. What the @#$! else is it going to fucking be?

[rookiepilot]

Who says they sell it as PPL training or skills necessary to get a PPL? Just because you go on a flight before you have a PPL, doesn't mean it is considered part of the mandatory PPL curriculum. The flight training manual covers the exercises you need to master, but as far as I know it is not an exhaustive list. You can always do something extra.

Paging Hedley........

[digits_]

Who says they sell it as PPL training

Because they put the fucking instructor in the right seat and the fucking instructors’ fucking PPL student in the left seat. What the @#$! else is it going to fucking be?

It is flight training to get experience flying long(er) cross country flights across international borders. While it is not required for PPL, it is valuable experience for a student, especially if (s)he has the desire to fly internationally later as well.

Is it required to get checked out on multiple airplane types for your PPL? No. Yet a lot of students have more than one airplane type in their logbook before they get their PPL.
Is it required to fly floats and wheels pre PPL? No, yet it happens.
Is it required to fly aerobatics pre PPL? No, yet it happens.
Is it required to fly to the states or do 4/5/10/20 hour cross countries? No, yet it happens.
Why does it happen? Because students want to do it. Is that dangerous? No. Is that illegal? No. Should that be forbidden? NO!

If the flying school claims those longer trips are mandatory and necessary to get your PPL license, then something's wrong. If they are offering it to their students as a way to experience longer flights, optionally, then there is nothing wrong with that.

And no matter what flight training you do: circuits, night, ifr, ppl, cpl, type checkouts or long distance navigation flights, it is always mandatory that you use a qualified pilot/instructor for that.

[photofly]

It is flight training to get experience ...

It shouldn’t be any kind of training at all, because that’s not where pre-PPL students need to focus their attention.

Lots of things are valuable experience. Best to use the time and hours to get the PPL and get the other experiences once you’re a licenced pilot. There’s no rule that prevents you from coming back for more experience after you have your ppl.

Maybe by that time these students would have had the good sense to refuse the night IMC flight with the woefully under-equipped and prepared instructor. If they’d come back commercial then they’d still be alive.

[pelmet]

Of course it's incorporated. This "members should be bankrupted" is just too silly for words. Even by AvCanada's standards of silliness. Ontario Corporations Act, section 122:

122 A member shall not, as such, be held answerable or responsible for any act, default, obligation or liability of the corporation or for any engagement, claim, payment, loss, injury, transaction, matter or thing relating to or connected with the corporation. R.S.O. 1990, c. C.38, s. 122.

The members are not liable, end of story.

I'd be wary of extending that assumption as a get of jail card for wilful misconduct.

This is more of the same silliness. The rank and file members of the St. Catharine's Flying Club didn't willfully misconduct anything. Your hyperbole is drawing attention away from what really went wrong.

Thanks Photofly,

Your knowledge of how things work in this case is extremely useful. My point has been made and now it is my turn to leave the debate.

Hopefully I am more successful than this from page 3...

I'm done here.

...but who knows.

[rookiepilot]

Case was settled out of court. Obviously some degree of liability was agreed upon.



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