Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

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Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by CanadianEh » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:52 am

Hearing word that AC has a tailstrike in HKG. The return flight AC 016 is cancelled. More to come.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by RNAV30 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:02 am

Just saw this on Tom Podolec’s twitter feed.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by Mick G » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:24 pm

That'll buff right out
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by PilotDAR » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:06 pm

That'll buff right out
And you'll release the aircraft back to service after you "buff that out"? I expect that Air Canada will assure a proper proper repair.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by FL007 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:01 pm

PilotDAR wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:06 pm
That'll buff right out
And you'll release the aircraft back to service after you "buff that out"? I expect that Air Canada will assure a proper proper repair.
Oh my, the sarcasm was lost here.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by pelmet » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:23 pm

FL007 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:01 pm
PilotDAR wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:06 pm
That'll buff right out
And you'll release the aircraft back to service after you "buff that out"? I expect that Air Canada will assure a proper proper repair.
Oh my, the sarcasm was lost here.
Possibly because it stopped being funny when it was posted for the 578th time.

Anybody know the aircraft type? 777-300 series?
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by Oxi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:32 pm

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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by PilotDAR » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:50 pm

Oh my, the sarcasm was lost here.
I detected the attempt at sarcasm....
Possibly because it stopped being funny when it was posted for the 578th time
This.

When you're looking at some scrape damage you've done, it won't seem so funny. No one takes off planning to damage an aircraft, sometimes we do our best, and it doesn't work out the way we planned. Sarcasm really does not contribute to the better outcome.

Each time I've scraped something down the runway (beginning with a tail tiedown ring on a 172, when I was a student) I apologized, and did what I could to make it right. In 1977 at Brampton, a replacement tail tiedown ring cost $31 (which was more than I paid for an hour's use of the plane at the time!).
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by TheRealMcCoy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:55 pm

Mick G wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:24 pm
That'll buff right out
It's not a DeHavilland
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by Antique Pilot » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:28 pm

Mick G wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:24 pm
That'll buff right out
You have to get new material.

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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by pelmet » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:52 pm

Link and pictures here....

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=219351

777-300ER on landing. Newer ones and 787 have tailstrike protection software in the fly by wire system. Old ones don't. You can tell this is an old one as it has a tailskid installed which is no longer necessary in the new ones. Tailstrike protection also saves weight with removal of the tailskid and the beefed up structure.

Holding off in the flare can cause a tailstrike on landing. A senior AC guy in the know told me about that happening to one of their 767's years ago.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by Capt. Underpants » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:37 am

Holding off in the flare can cause a tailstrike on landing. A senior AC guy in the know told me about that happening to one of their 767's years ago.
The most common cause is an improper recovery from a bounced landing.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by pelmet » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:46 am

Capt. Underpants wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:37 am
The most common cause is an improper recovery from a bounced landing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuAtO4MZtqE
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by 200hr Wonder » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:20 am

Might not want to just buff those out...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_A ... Flight_611
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by iflyforpie » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:03 pm

I do believe JAL123 perished under similar circumstances.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by sportingrifle » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:44 pm

Landed on 07R with a 15 knot N wind. This scenario in HK is well known for low level windshear. Could have been a factor. Having said that, the Triple, unlike the 330, lands pretty flat and isn't known for being prone to tailstrikes. Looks like that bird airn't going anywhere for a while though.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by Eric Janson » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:45 am

sportingrifle wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:44 pm
Landed on 07R with a 15 knot N wind. This scenario in HK is well known for low level windshear. Could have been a factor.
That's not correct - airport briefing says winds over 20 knots from the N will potentially cause problems. And then for approach 25l/R and Missed approach/Departure 07L/R.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by sportingrifle » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:17 am

Eric...past experience has shown me that it doesn't take 20 knots to find localised bad air. 20 knots to trigger a windshear alert perhaps. The Cathay guys were speculating on this as a " link in the chain. " Anyway when the report comes out we will know. Cheers SR.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by Victory » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:14 am

'Don't worry about the 777 F/O vacancies. We'll just stick junior pilots in there.'
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by pelmet » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:24 pm

I believe you will find that for 07’s at HKG that the terrain is not particularly close on the north side, from a Hong Kong perspective that is. But....one never knows when it comes to mountainous terrain.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by Meatservo » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:50 pm

I swear to god if anyone mentions "variable tailwinds on final" I will send them to the same hell as the "that'll buff out" idiot.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by Mick G » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:22 am

I'd be curious about the wind conditions on final.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by LCflyguy » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:30 am

Mick G wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:24 pm
That'll buff right out
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by altiplano » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:53 am

Eric Janson wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:45 am
sportingrifle wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:44 pm
Landed on 07R with a 15 knot N wind. This scenario in HK is well known for low level windshear. Could have been a factor.
That's not correct - airport briefing says winds over 20 knots from the N will potentially cause problems. And then for approach 25l/R and Missed approach/Departure 07L/R.
I have it on good authority that it was a wind shear event.

Here's the briefing for anyone unfamiliar with HKG.
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Re: Air Canada tailstrike in Hong Kong

Post by pelmet » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:06 pm

altiplano wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:53 am
Eric Janson wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:45 am
sportingrifle wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:44 pm
Landed on 07R with a 15 knot N wind. This scenario in HK is well known for low level windshear. Could have been a factor.
That's not correct - airport briefing says winds over 20 knots from the N will potentially cause problems. And then for approach 25l/R and Missed approach/Departure 07L/R.
I have it on good authority that it was a wind shear event.
Bottom line....be ready to advance the thrust. Autothrottle all the way to touchdown guys could be less ready to quickly add thrust. Pulling the control column aft as an only response to a decreasing performance shear will bring the tail closer to the ground. Reduced flaps on approach may be helpful on a long runway like the ones at HKG.
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