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Herc incident YZF

Post by BMLtech » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:00 am

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 82-455503/
Sounds like the herc lost the oil out of 2 props due to the cold. We used to have a hell of a time with the Hamilton Standard Allison props in the cold, even with new seals they would leak out in the cold unless carefully pre-heated...
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by Hilroy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:56 am

Those are impressive machines... :P
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by piperdriver » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:10 am

Not trying to derail this thread but I was curious. Does First Air still operate the C-130 or did they sell them?
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by Longtimer » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:59 am

January 15, 2019







APPLICATION by Bradley Air Services Limited also carrying on business as, among others, First Air (First Air), on behalf of itself and Lynden Air Cargo, LLC carrying on business as Lynden Air Cargo and as Loken Aviation (Lynden), pursuant to section 60 of the Canada Transportation Act, S.C., 1996, c. 10, as amended (CTA), and section 8.2 of the Air Transportation Regulations, SOR/88-58, as amended (ATR).





Case number:


19-00142







First Air, on behalf of itself and Lynden, has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for an approval to permit First Air to provide its domestic service, all cargo aircraft, using a Hercules type aircraft with flight crew provided by Lynden until December 31, 2019.

First Air has also requested an exemption from the application of subsection 8.2(2) of the ATR, which requires the filing of an application for an approval at least 45 days before the first planned flight. The Agency finds that compliance with subsection 8.2(2) of the ATR is impractical in this case. Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 80(1)(c) of the CTA, exempts First Air from the application of subsection 8.2(2) of the ATR.

First Air is licensed to operate, among others, a domestic service, all-cargo aircraft.

The Agency notes that Transport Canada exempted under specific conditions Lynden from the application of subsections 700.02(1) and 701.02(1) of the Canadian Aviation Regulations, SOR/96 433 to allow Lynden, while not being the holder of a Canadian Air Operator Certificate, to operate a domestic air transport service in Canada on behalf of First Air, whereby Lynden will provide, among others, a specialized cargo air service using a Hercules type aircraft until December 31, 2019 inclusively.

The Agency has considered the application and the material in support and is satisfied that it meets the remaining requirements of section 8.2 of the ATR.

Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 60(1)(b) of the CTA and section 8.2 of the ATR, approves the use by First Air of an Hercules type aircraft with flight crew provided by Lynden, and the provision by Lynden of such aircraft and flight crew to First Air, to permit First Air to provide its domestic service, all-cargo aircraft, using a Hercules type aircraft with flight crew provided by Lynden for the purposes of transporting at least one cargo item that is oversized and/or overweight and cannot be carried in a Boeing 737 type aircraft until December 31, 2019 inclusively.

This approval is subject to the following conditions:
1.First Air shall continue to hold the valid licence authority.
2.Commercial control of the flight shall be maintained by First Air. Lynden shall maintain operational control of the flight and shall receive payment based on the rental of the aircraft and crew and not on the basis of the volume of traffic carried or other revenue-sharing formula.
3.First Air and Lynden shall continue to comply with the insurance requirements set out in subsections 8.2(4), 8.2(5) and 8.2(6) of the ATR.
4.First Air shall continue to comply with the public disclosure requirements set out in section 8.5 of the ATR.
5.First Air and Lynden shall advise the Agency in advance of any changes to the information provided in support of the application.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by FlyGy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:02 pm

Longtimer wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:59 am
January 15, 2019







APPLICATION by Bradley Air Services Limited also carrying on business as, among others, First Air (First Air), on behalf of itself and Lynden Air Cargo, LLC carrying on business as Lynden Air Cargo and as Loken Aviation (Lynden), pursuant to section 60 of the Canada Transportation Act, S.C., 1996, c. 10, as amended (CTA), and section 8.2 of the Air Transportation Regulations, SOR/88-58, as amended (ATR).





Case number:


19-00142







First Air, on behalf of itself and Lynden, has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for an approval to permit First Air to provide its domestic service, all cargo aircraft, using a Hercules type aircraft with flight crew provided by Lynden until December 31, 2019.

First Air has also requested an exemption from the application of subsection 8.2(2) of the ATR, which requires the filing of an application for an approval at least 45 days before the first planned flight. The Agency finds that compliance with subsection 8.2(2) of the ATR is impractical in this case. Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 80(1)(c) of the CTA, exempts First Air from the application of subsection 8.2(2) of the ATR.

First Air is licensed to operate, among others, a domestic service, all-cargo aircraft.

The Agency notes that Transport Canada exempted under specific conditions Lynden from the application of subsections 700.02(1) and 701.02(1) of the Canadian Aviation Regulations, SOR/96 433 to allow Lynden, while not being the holder of a Canadian Air Operator Certificate, to operate a domestic air transport service in Canada on behalf of First Air, whereby Lynden will provide, among others, a specialized cargo air service using a Hercules type aircraft until December 31, 2019 inclusively.

The Agency has considered the application and the material in support and is satisfied that it meets the remaining requirements of section 8.2 of the ATR.

Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 60(1)(b) of the CTA and section 8.2 of the ATR, approves the use by First Air of an Hercules type aircraft with flight crew provided by Lynden, and the provision by Lynden of such aircraft and flight crew to First Air, to permit First Air to provide its domestic service, all-cargo aircraft, using a Hercules type aircraft with flight crew provided by Lynden for the purposes of transporting at least one cargo item that is oversized and/or overweight and cannot be carried in a Boeing 737 type aircraft until December 31, 2019 inclusively.

This approval is subject to the following conditions:
1.First Air shall continue to hold the valid licence authority.
2.Commercial control of the flight shall be maintained by First Air. Lynden shall maintain operational control of the flight and shall receive payment based on the rental of the aircraft and crew and not on the basis of the volume of traffic carried or other revenue-sharing formula.
3.First Air and Lynden shall continue to comply with the insurance requirements set out in subsections 8.2(4), 8.2(5) and 8.2(6) of the ATR.
4.First Air shall continue to comply with the public disclosure requirements set out in section 8.5 of the ATR.
5.First Air and Lynden shall advise the Agency in advance of any changes to the information provided in support of the application.


Sooooooo.......yes
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by yhz41 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:56 pm

Is it still the same one they had before? And if so, where have they been hiding it?
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by marlin » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:42 pm

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... g-hercules

They sold it to Lynden Air Cargo in 2015, and as part of the sales agreement, have been able to periodically lease it for contract work.

2016: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... s-hercules
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by yhz41 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:46 pm

marlin wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:42 pm
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... g-hercules

They sold it to Lynden Air Cargo in 2015, and as part of the sales agreement, have been able to periodically lease it for contract work.

2016: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... s-hercules
Oh right I think I remember that! Thanks!
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by valleyboy » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:23 am

It's nice to see the military still has no clue about cold wx ops for the herc. As mentioned the props need to be heated and first PWA and everyone after them who operated civilian Hercs spent big bucks getting the APU system modified to preheat engines and props. The FE made sure this was done prior to any winter flight. This was stuff that wasn't in the book and the military just ignored it. I'm sure the J models are no different.
In the bygone years the military departed YK and returned shortly there after with 2 shut shut down (pitch locked) and the 3rd one acting up just because the book does not mention preheat.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by fish4life » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:35 am

Did you even read it? It was a civilian Herc not a military one.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by valleyboy » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:41 am

My bad -- but I would hazard a guess it was not the x-7F machine - the mod seems to be a canada only thing, unless it has been removed - doesn't change the fact heat is your friend in the winter. :smt040
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Post by Sidebar » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:58 am

This was not an ex-First Air plane.

The Lynden Herc was N402LC, SN 4698.

First Air flew C-GUSI SN 4600 and C-GHPW SN 4799.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by Diadem » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:15 am

Lynden also operates out of Alaska, which is known for its tropical weather.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by valleyboy » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:16 pm

Oh so they are still operating under their Canadian registration :roll: and in the past Lynden had most of their work was south of 30N and yes they offer strip to strip in Alaska but they go where the work IS. BTW they have retro fitted all of their Hercs with glass.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by Donald » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:25 pm

It's interesting how 7F sold their hercs due to lack of work/high cost of maintenance, but then wet-leases the same aircraft back to cover contracted work. And Canadians sit and watch a US company operate point-to-point in Canada.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by Meatservo » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:53 pm

Donald wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:25 pm
It's interesting how 7F sold their hercs due to lack of work/high cost of maintenance, but then wet-leases the same aircraft back to cover contracted work. And Canadians sit and watch a US company operate point-to-point in Canada.
I had the same thought. I did notice in the document above the part about "at least one item that won't fit in a 737". Presumably that means on every flight it does.

I guess they could find a load of really long poles, and separate it into lots of loads with one really long pole each and bulked out with groceries and fuel or whatever.

I hope someone somewhere makes a really big objection to this.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by Diadem » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:05 am

Under NAFTA, or I guess USMCA now, Canadian companies can operate point-to-point in the US on charters. I've done it. I know there are Canadian companies that have even done work for US government agencies in the US.
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Post by valleyboy » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:02 pm

It's interesting how 7F sold their hercs due to lack of work/high cost of maintenance, but then wet-leases the same aircraft back to cover contracted work. And Canadians sit and watch a US company operate point-to-point in Canada.

That's the excuse and not the reason.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by sstocker31 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:25 pm

OOhhh don't worry boys, FIRSTAIR is still skimming 10% off each of those loads that they don't have to do anything for. It's all about the licence to do the work in Canada.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by Wonderdog » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:48 pm

Mould Bay NWT. 2017, oversize load, soft airstrip.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by pelmet » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:31 am

Wonderdog wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:48 pm
Mould Bay NWT. 2017, oversize load, soft airstrip.
There is an old US military DC-3 a few miles away. Must have crashed there a long time ago. Was an interesting place to get into in low weather conditions.
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Re: Herc incident YZF

Post by pelmet » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:53 pm

"N402LC, a Lockheed 382G-44K-30 Hercules aircraft operated by Lynden Air Cargo LLC, was conducting flight LYC402 from Yellowknife (CYZF), NT to Anchorage/Ted Stevens Intl (PANC), AK. During the climb after the departure from CYZF, the number 2 propeller low oil light illuminated, followed by an RPM out of limit message. The QRH was executed, and arrangements were made for a fuel dump. The flight crew reported to the tower that they shut down one engine (Allison 501-D22A) and had to return to CYZF. Shortly after, the number 3 propeller low oil light illuminated, with RPM out of limits. They then declared an emergency and advised they had to shut a second engine down. The aircraft landed without further incident with emergency services attending."
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