Air Canada YHZ

[altiplano]

Airlines want serviceable runways.

I read runway 32 was closed... couldn't have landed into wind whatever the equipment was.

[pelmet]

Airlines want serviceable runways.

I read runway 32 was closed... couldn't have landed into wind whatever the equipment was.

Listening to the audio, it sounded like both runways were active at the time that the 767 initiated its approach. Subject to confirmation.

[goingnowherefast]

3 accidents in YHZ in how long? We should ban operations into that airport now! (Sarcasm)

[hamstandard]

[quote=pelmet post_id=1071873 time=1552487242 user_id=4697]
[quote=rookiepilot post_id=1071862 time=1552482721 user_id=53090]
By Pelmets logic, clearly doesn't understand business in the slightest, Pearson would could decommission it's ILS network too, as it costs lots of money to maintain and keep certification, and all airlines should be using WASS anyway.
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Actually, they will someday. The days of the ILS are dated. GPS is going to replace it just like radar is planned to be replaced. People with reasonable knowledge on subject realize that maintaining existing infrastructure is much less expensive than installing it. That's logic.

I must admit that I get quite a bit of entertainment reading RookiePilots posts on the other forum complaining about me like a 5 year old.

So lets see some of the useful posts he has given us on this thread which may help us pilots encountering the same situation....


[quote=rookiepilot post_id=1071060 time=1551838558 user_id=53090]
Very , very classy of whoever this was, at the same time.

So classy -- Heck, if I was on board, I'd happily split the bill with you if it's your money. Less inclined if it's a full 777!
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[quote=rookiepilot post_id=1071150 time=1551911332 user_id=53090]
Those luxury "fact finding" trips must be fun too. Just like the government.
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[quote=rookiepilot post_id=1071710 time=1552394405 user_id=53090]
"Well, copy and paste function still works = Value added. "[/quote]



Oh gee...thanks so much for your intelligent posts Rookie(or is it Rockie?) which have provided so much more useful info to the flying pilot as compared to mine. They are almost as useless as all the ones you made on the hangar fire thread. You seem to just be a waste of bandwidth. If you have nothing useful to post aside from always blaming others(Makes sense because I think he is a lawyer), try going somewhere else, like the other forum where I can smile every time I see your failed childish attempts to insult me.
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I think he may have made one slightly useful post but I do wonder how much it costs to install an ILS versus just maintaining an ILS?

[pelmet]

Classic flash freeze.

This is the initial published brief from the TSB...

"C-FTCA a Boeing 767-300 aircraft operated by Air Canada, was conducting flight ACA614 from
Toronto/Lester B. Person Intl (CYYZ), ON to Halifax/Stanfield Intl (CYHZ), NS with 8 crew
members and 211 passengers on board. During the landing rollout on Runway 23, the aircraft
encountered a slippery area on the runway and was pushed by the wind, causing it to turn
approximately 45° to the right. The nose wheel entered a snow ridge on the edge of the runway,
which caused the rear of the aircraft to slide approximately 180°, coming to a stop facing in the
opposing direction of travel. Due to the weather conditions, the surface of the runway experienced
a flash freeze from a wet condition, and became extremely slippery as ice formed quickly.
Passengers were taken to the terminal by bus, and the aircraft was towed to the apron. There was
no damage to the aircraft, and no injuries reported by the passengers or crew."

It appears that this was the equivalent a runway excursion based on the nosegear left the prepared area of the runway. It is a good idea to closely monitor the temperature when it is just above freezing, from a runway condition point of view and the need to de-ice.

[pelmet]

I'm really not sure why these guys would continue the approach and land with a big crosswind and a significant tailwind...….

"At 1825:15, the Halifax terminal controller contacted the occurrence flight crew to provide the Embraer's pilot weather report (PIREP), stating, “we had [the Embraer] roll out on 23, and he said it was very slippery. He barely got stopped towards the end of it. As far as visibility he saw things at 300 feet above the ground.” The crew responded, “thanks for the heads up.”

http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-r ... a0012.html

Sometimes it seems obvious.