Black Smoke reported coming from the engine - should you shut it down
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Black Smoke reported coming from the engine - should you shut it down
It might not be an engine problem.....
"C-GHKR, an Airbus 330-300 aircraft operated by Air Canada, was conducting flight ACA835 from Geneva-Cointrin (LSGG), Switzerland to Montreal/Pierre Elliott Trudeau Intl (CYUL), QC with 11 crew members and 258 passengers on board. During the initial climb after the departure from
LSGG, the control tower advised the flight crew that black smoke was observed coming from the number 1 engine (Rolls Royce UK RB211 Trent 772B-60). Simultaneously, the flight crew received a BLUE HYDRAULIC PUMP FAIL ECAM message. The flight crew requested a return to LSGG, declared a PAN PAN, and carried out an overweight landing without further incident.
The operator’s maintenance replaced the Blue Ground Service Manifold, and the High Pressure (HP) & Low Pressure (LP) Filters as per the Aircraft Maintenance Manual (AMM). The Blue Hydraulic Reservoir was refilled in accordance with the AMM. After several checks and an overweight landing inspection, the aircraft was returned to service."
"C-GHKR, an Airbus 330-300 aircraft operated by Air Canada, was conducting flight ACA835 from Geneva-Cointrin (LSGG), Switzerland to Montreal/Pierre Elliott Trudeau Intl (CYUL), QC with 11 crew members and 258 passengers on board. During the initial climb after the departure from
LSGG, the control tower advised the flight crew that black smoke was observed coming from the number 1 engine (Rolls Royce UK RB211 Trent 772B-60). Simultaneously, the flight crew received a BLUE HYDRAULIC PUMP FAIL ECAM message. The flight crew requested a return to LSGG, declared a PAN PAN, and carried out an overweight landing without further incident.
The operator’s maintenance replaced the Blue Ground Service Manifold, and the High Pressure (HP) & Low Pressure (LP) Filters as per the Aircraft Maintenance Manual (AMM). The Blue Hydraulic Reservoir was refilled in accordance with the AMM. After several checks and an overweight landing inspection, the aircraft was returned to service."
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Re: Black Smoke reported coming from the engine - should you shut it down
If all the pressures and temperatures are within limits, don't shut it down. Run it at idle if you have to and bring it around....
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Re: Black Smoke reported coming from the engine - should you shut it down
Auxiliary system displays a malfunction, tower tells you they see smoke, sounds to me like fluid burning in the exhaust. Engine parameters remain normal. Maybe get an FA or relief pilot to check to see if there is any flame coming from the actual engine. Seems like a pretty simple QRH procedure.
Re: Black Smoke reported coming from the engine - should you shut it down
In this scenario? No, you're low and heavy. What's worse though? Lose hydraulics? Are you worried about sudden failure at a more critical time? So many options and so little time.
Fire light goes off too, then yes.
Fire light goes off too, then yes.
Re: Black Smoke reported coming from the engine - should you shut it down
What about shutting it down to prevent a fire? So that whatever is smoking/leaking doesn't catch fire?
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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Re: Black Smoke reported coming from the engine - should you shut it down
Then that would have been covered in the appropriate checklist.