Buffalo DC-3 Hay River

[valleyboy]

performance than a cheap cabin class piston twin.

I have flown both and don't think that's entirely true. I think you will find far more smoking holes in the ground from cabin class twins, but a lot of those are experienced base due to loss of control by dropping below vmca. I have witnessed first hand to many of those.

[Illya Kuryakin]

performance than a cheap cabin class piston twin.

I have flown both and don't think that's entirely true. I think you will find far more smoking holes in the ground from cabin class twins, but a lot of those are experienced base due to loss of control by dropping below vmca. I have witnessed first hand to many of those.

I've never had to bring a 'ho home on one. Modern engines are more reliable. Plain and simple. Most are rolled up in balls by the guy in the left seat.....again and again.
As for freight only for the DC3? Great idea, but also drop the gross from 26,900 by 1000 pounds. Gross on these things is like speed limits. 100 posted, everybody goes 110-115. Except in a DAK, this will kill you.
Illya

[C.W.E.]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... ass-plane/

[jpilot77]

Nolinor is another Northern 705 that goes into basically the same places as Buffalo with a better record. But they are using cv580s and 737-200s.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Nolinor is another Northern 705 that goes into basically the same places as Buffalo with a better record. But they are using cv580s and 737-200s.

Apples and oranges sport. Buffalo has a better record with their own turbo props than their Racers as well.
Illya

[pelmet]

Anybody seen any pics of the accident?

[switchflicker]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... ass-plane/

Why is the American Flagship taxiing with the cowl gills closed?

[shimmydampner]

Is Buffalo Airways an unsafe operation .....?

I'm not anti-Buffalo or anti-antique aircraft (I think their entire fleet is super cool) but a quick internet search turns up 11 accidents since 2001. So they've been plowing them in at a rate of about 1 every 19 months. Regardless of how many people they've managed to not kill, those don't seem like great safety stats to me, but then again I think crashing airplanes is unsafe.

What's their crash rate per flight hour?

They also operate in some pretty challenging conditions.

There are many operators north of 60 that operate in exactly the same or even more challenging conditions, likely all of which have better safety records. It's not as though going from YHY-YZF and back, or up the Mackenzie valley is terribly difficult aviating, relative to what else goes on in the North.

[pelmet]

Looks like they had problems with both engines...

"C-GJKM, a Douglas DC3C-S1C3G aircraft operated by Buffalo Airways, was conducting cargo
flight BFL169 from Hay River/Merlyn Carter (CYHY), NT to Yellowknife (CYZF), NT with 2 flight
crew on board. During the climb to cruise altitude after the departure from CYHY, the number 1
engine (Pratt & Whitney-USA, R-1830-92) lost complete power. The flight crew elected to return to
CYHY, however were unable to maintain altitude. As more power was added to engine number 2
to maintain airspeed, it started to run rough. The flight crew declared a PAN PAN, subsequently
followed by a MAYDAY; a forced landing was executed approximately 3.5 nm south east of CYHY.
The aircraft was substantially damaged, but there was no post-impact fire or injury to either flight
crew."

[Mick G]

Surprised no one has a picture, I'd like to see the extent of damage.

[DadoBlade]

Switchflicker asked why the American Airlines DC-3 Flagship was taxiing with the cowl gills closed. Early civilian versions of the DC-3 were powered by The Wright R-1820 Cyclone 9 cylinder engine, and may not have been equipped with cowl flaps, unlike the fourteen-cylinder Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp which powered the vast majority of DC-3's.

[SeñorPiloto]

Best I could do.

['97 Tercel]

[switchflicker]

Switchflicker asked why the American Airlines DC-3 Flagship was taxiing with the cowl gills closed. Early civilian versions of the DC-3 were powered by The Wright R-1820 Cyclone 9 cylinder engine, and may not have been equipped with cowl flaps, unlike the fourteen-cylinder Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp which powered the vast majority of DC-3's.

Interesting, thanks

[JasonE]

Appears to be missing a wing. Is that from recovery attempts?

[SeñorPiloto]

Appears to be missing a wing. Is that from recovery attempts?

No, at that point hadn’t been moved,

[Mick G]

If the wing was sheared off in the crash landing, then this was a lot more serious than I thought. Is it just the photo or is it indeed sheered off?

[bald seagull]

Wing was likely removed as it's easier to move the aircraft from the site in parts

[sunfm]

A few photos after the wings, tail feathers and engines removed. and its on a deck to be hauled out.

[sunfm]

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