Quebec R44 missing.

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An S&R helicopter went down while looking for these guys, I hope everyone is fine!
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal ... -1.5211676

Here’s the article about the search and rescue chopper accident.
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They found the helicopter wreckage. RIP to the father and son.
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The helicopter is still missing, no signs of the father and son so far, search has been abandoned by SAR and provincial police,
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redlaser wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:31 pm
The helicopter is still missing, no signs of the father and son so far, search has been abandoned by SAR and provincial police,

Hmmm.. this says they were found on the 25th.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal ... -1.5225224
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An ELT is completely useless if you do not maintain and arm it. :roll:

From CTV News:

The emergency locator transmission on the helicopter flown by a prominent Quebec businessman who went missing along with his son was turned off, according to a report released by the Transportation Safety Board on Friday.

Stephane Roy, the president of produce company Savoura, and his 14-year-old son Justin went missing while returning from a fishing trip in the Upper Laurentians on July 10. The two were in a helicopter piloted by the elder Roy. Volunteers, police and the Canadian Armed Forces scoured the area for weeks and the bodies of the two were found on July 25 when the Surete du Quebec located on aircraft on the ground in the Lac Valtrie area.

According to the TSB report no emergency locator transmitter signal was received after the helicopter went down. Analysis of the wreckage found that the transmitter’s switch was turned to the off position.

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/emergency-t ... -1.4534700
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Sounds like a murder plot. Time to see who benefits from his death.
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His company sells greenhouse grown tomatoes which has a big overlap with the facilities required to produce marijuana on an industrial scale. Maybe he pissed off the wrong people.
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Victory wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:07 am
Sounds like a murder plot. Time to see who benefits from his death.
Well that went sideways.

Do you even know where the elt is located on the r44?

Sounds like it was mistakenly left off after maintenance.

The r44 is the fork tailed doctor killer of helicopters, even skilled pilots have been killed due to their instability and poor design.

There isn't a poor man that owns one either.

You guys need to get some fresh air.
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Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:39 pm
The r44 is the fork tailed doctor killer of helicopters, even skilled pilots have been killed due to their instability and poor design.
Hi,

Confirm this is the R44 that has this problem or is it the R22?
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pelmet wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:20 pm
Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:39 pm
The r44 is the fork tailed doctor killer of helicopters, even skilled pilots have been killed due to their instability and poor design.
Hi,

Confirm this is the R44 that has this problem or is it the R22?
Thanks,

I might just get into helicopters some day and fully intend to avoid Robinsons. I thought it was just R22's that were a problem. Will look for a forgiving machine, perhaps an old Bell 47.

https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/socia ... -crashing/

Some advice from the article'.....

"I was just talking to John Fogden [formerly of the CAA] about that. He said: ‘How do you hold your cyclic [control stick]?’ I told him I always tucked it into my knee as it gives more stability. “If you go through a bad patch of turbulence, the stick is held steady and that stops you from putting the wrong input in – which could lead to a mast bump.”

Just shows how an anonymous internet forum could save your life.
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How did we get on the R22/R44 are horrible subject? We have no idea what caused this tragic accident. In my experiences, helicopters don't crash, usually the person behind the controls has (at least) something to do with it. If you put your mind to it, you can pretty much trash any chopper out there. Just my 2 cents.
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In my experience helicopters crash constantly. Then the helicopter they send to find the first one that crashed crashes too.
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pelmet wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:31 pm
pelmet wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:20 pm
Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:39 pm
The r44 is the fork tailed doctor killer of helicopters, even skilled pilots have been killed due to their instability and poor design.
Hi,

Confirm this is the R44 that has this problem or is it the R22?
Thanks,

I might just get into helicopters some day and fully intend to avoid Robinsons. I thought it was just R22's that were a problem. Will look for a forgiving machine, perhaps an old Bell 47.

https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/socia ... -crashing/

Some advice from the article'.....

"I was just talking to John Fogden [formerly of the CAA] about that. He said: ‘How do you hold your cyclic [control stick]?’ I told him I always tucked it into my knee as it gives more stability. “If you go through a bad patch of turbulence, the stick is held steady and that stops you from putting the wrong input in – which could lead to a mast bump.”

Just shows how an anonymous internet forum could save your life.
https://dai.ly/x35d4p5 I think this was him

I am not a fan of Robinson products.

However, they have proven to be useful in the right hands and are a commercial success.

One accident that stands out is the drunk guy up in northern bc? or Alberta? They tend to burn less now that they were forced to put bladders in too.
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I had a R22 in my flight school.

They are very reliable mechanically but are real touchy to fly, if you can smoothly fly a R22 all the other helicopters are a breeze to fly.
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I had a R22 in my flight school.

They are very reliable mechanically but are real touchy to fly, if you can smoothly fly a R22 all the other helicopters are a breeze to fly.
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Some good info on this thread,,,,

https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/40577 ... ime-6.html

But......nothing about experienced fixed wing pilots transitioning to a helicopter. I seem to vaguely remember something about an natural instinctive reaction from such a pilot to some sort of situation can be fatal in a Robinson. If true, a good reason to avoid for someone like me.

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Low g pushover.
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