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Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by ruddersup? » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:01 pm

Heard seaplane down on Upper Raft Lake (Muskoka region) with seven on board, one dead others rushed to hospital in Toronto.
That's all I know. Wondering if it's a Caravan?
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by Heliian » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:37 am

https://globalnews.ca/news/5729524/fata ... raft-lake/

1 deceased, 6 survivors.

It has been a tragic year for small planes.
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by FishermanIvan » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:30 am

Caravan or Kodiak, with that many people on board.

Wasn’t one of ours, but RIP to the victim.
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by golden hawk » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:06 pm

Heliian wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:37 am
https://globalnews.ca/news/5729524/fata ... raft-lake/

1 deceased, 6 survivors.

It has been a tragic year for small planes.
A coworker identified the victim as Jeff Mavor.
The Transport Canada Registry has this man owning a C-185 & two C-172's.....surely none of these was the aircraft involved in the accident??
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by corethatthermal » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:46 pm

I am saddened to hear Jeff was involved. I worked alongside him as an AME before he bought OAL. A good man indeed !
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by linecrew » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:30 am

golden hawk wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:06 pm
Heliian wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:37 am
https://globalnews.ca/news/5729524/fata ... raft-lake/

1 deceased, 6 survivors.

It has been a tragic year for small planes.
A coworker identified the victim as Jeff Mavor.
The Transport Canada Registry has this man owning a C-185 & two C-172's.....surely none of these was the aircraft involved in the accident??
He owned a numbered company as well. The largest type in the fleet being a Beaver.
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by Victory » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:58 am

FishermanIvan wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:30 am
Caravan or Kodiak, with that many people on board.
Funny to hear city folk assume these types nowadays instead of the Beav.
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by golden hawk » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:58 pm

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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by PilotDAR » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:20 pm

Jeff was a fine person, and he and Kathy have been my friends for many years. He was there to help me a couple of years ago, when my student and I had a bad day. I am proud to have have donated to the go fund me for Kathy and the kids. I hope others will too. Aviation is a small community, we must take care of each other.....

https://www.gofundme.com/hero-dad-amp-h ... ane-crash/
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by FishermanIvan » Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:12 am

Victory wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:58 am
FishermanIvan wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:30 am
Caravan or Kodiak, with that many people on board.
Funny to hear city folk assume these types nowadays instead of the Beav.
I just don’t hear a lot of Beavers ripping around the Muskokas.
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by anofly » Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:51 am

it has been a brutal year for seaplanes. Fly safe folks,.... condolences.
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by bald seagull » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:02 am

Transportation Safety Board of Canada
Daily Notification Log
MODE: AIR
HO Review Date: 2019/08/08
This information is preliminary and subject to change. The information given for some occurrence may not have been verified by the TSB.
Therefore, caution should be used when using this information.

------------------------ Occurrence 1 ------------------------
Occurrence No.: A19O0103 Occurrence Type: ACCIDENT
Class: BEING
ASSESSED
Reportable Type:
Date: 2019-08-04 Time: 13:10:00 EDT
Region of
Responsibility:
ONTARIO
Location: 48.00 Nautical miles N From CNV6 - LAKE ST JOHN - ORILLIA
Country: CANADA Province: ONTARIO
Ground Injuries: Fatal: 0 Minor: 0
Serious: 0 Unknown: 0
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Registration: C-GBUI Operator:
Manufacturer: CESSNA Operator Type: PRIVATE
Model: 185 E CARS Sub Part: RECREATIONAL AVIATION
Injuries: Fatal: 1 Minor: 6
Serious: 0 None: 0
Unknown: 0
Occurrence Summary:
C-GBUI, a private Cessna 185 E floatplane, was operating a flight from Orillia airport (CNV6) to
Upper Raft Lake, approximately 48 nm north of CNV6 with the pilot and six passengers on board.
During the landing the aircraft contacted the water, then flipped over, coming to rest in an inverted
position. The passengers were able to egress the aircraft, the pilot was fatally injured. The
passengers sustained minor injuries; the damage to the aircraft is unknown presently. It was
reported that an ELT was on board.
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by golden hawk » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:16 pm

bald seagull wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:02 am

C-GBUI, a private Cessna 185 E floatplane, was operating a flight from Orillia airport (CNV6) to
Upper Raft Lake, approximately 48 nm north of CNV6 with the pilot and six passengers on board.
https://www.muskokaregion.com/news-stor ... fe-5-kids/
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by '97 Tercel » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:07 pm

kids or not...7 people in a 185?? Am I reading that right?
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by corethatthermal » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:34 pm

If you had belts, 3 could go in the far back seat, making 7 total
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by Redneck_pilot86 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 pm

I don't have any first hand knowledge on this particular aircraft, but there is an STC for a third row seating in the 180/185 similar to a 206. If one of the kids was under 2, it would be legal. Whether the weight and balance could be made to work is another question, especially on floats.
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by TailwheelPilot » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:32 am

I have not flown lots of 185s but all of the POHs I have seen (late models) had the third row of seating in the W&B section. I never saw mention of belts for more than two people, the seat belt attach points were always by the walls and on centerline. I used the third row on occasion flying one plane and another had the third row seat sitting in a corner but it was rarely or never used.
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Re: Seaplane down with seven on board.

Post by corethatthermal » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:50 pm

If i remember correctly, A/C like the PA-12 had a rear seat belt (1) for 2 passengers. ( At least, i recall putting 2 pax in that rear seat) I have likely belted 3 little kids on the aft seat in a 185 with 2 belts before while flying off the reserves. There is LEGAl there is SAFE and then there is STUPID !
I had a beautiful flight from the Abbotsford airshow this evening, found a hole in the clouds near Hope and went topside, Approached, with a line of storms just south-southwest ( and heading southward) and landed as per the Notam. How many rules did I break ? Was I safe?

In this order, Is it safe? Is it legal? is it stupid ( or looks stupid or unsafe even) should be the priority when considering going beyond the norm. At the airshow, The snowbirds were flirting with minimums WRT cloud clearance ( Do they have a waiver? That is, can they fly through a cloud in the course of their routine? ) But were they safe? Yes! Was there an appearance of an unsafe activity? NO !
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