Never heard of this old AC incident before
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before the days of social media
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What is that? A 146?pelmet wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:48 pm https://static.torontopubliclibrary.ca/ ... 00166f.jpg
Happened during fueling
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Static discharge during refueling. When I started in aviation we were cautioned about connecting grounding straps when we parked the plane inside. This was the example that we were told about.
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Yes, it's a DC-8. I have a faint recollection of this fire at YYZ, though I don't remember the cause.
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I believe it happened in July of 1973. No passengers were on board. I don’t have access to my reference material right now but it may have involved some sort of maintenance procedure.
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Sorry, from ASN it happened on June 23, 1973.
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It was a DC8
I was on a DC8 course in Montreal at the time; had been working on the ramp in YYZ just prior.
The airplane was being fuelled; F/A's were on board preparing for flight. Possibly flight crew as well.
One F/A told me that the interior of the airplane was starting to smoulder in the time it took to run from the back to the door at the front. it was a short eight, so not all that far; 100 feet or so.
All kept very quiet, but the scuttlebutt was that the grounding wire was not hooked up at the front of the airplane and perhaps the fuel tender was also not grounded.
Procedure was that the ground wire was connected at the nose as soon as the airplane stopped at the bridge. Snapped on. That was done consistently.
Possible that something made the wire come off; tripped over or run over? Or maybe not connected.
In any case, the fuel tender ground should also have been connected. Double Failure?
I was on a DC8 course in Montreal at the time; had been working on the ramp in YYZ just prior.
The airplane was being fuelled; F/A's were on board preparing for flight. Possibly flight crew as well.
One F/A told me that the interior of the airplane was starting to smoulder in the time it took to run from the back to the door at the front. it was a short eight, so not all that far; 100 feet or so.
All kept very quiet, but the scuttlebutt was that the grounding wire was not hooked up at the front of the airplane and perhaps the fuel tender was also not grounded.
Procedure was that the ground wire was connected at the nose as soon as the airplane stopped at the bridge. Snapped on. That was done consistently.
Possible that something made the wire come off; tripped over or run over? Or maybe not connected.
In any case, the fuel tender ground should also have been connected. Double Failure?
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It was a DC-8 and it burnt right at the gate at the old Terminal in Toronto.Many years ago I think the early 70's.
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Story I heard was that someone was testing/transmitting the HF radio, which led to a static discharge.
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Here is another old one that seems to have gotten forgotten...
https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 19631106-0
Very little detail but it sounds like the investigators blamed the crew.
https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 19631106-0
Very little detail but it sounds like the investigators blamed the crew.
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I believe that was 813 which was the a/c that crashed on a training flight in Ottawa. The cabbage patch was infamous and the captain still has a bush plane in his name. I knew his son from the original downtown Brampton Flying club.
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Yes, I found out his name in a book that I recently purchased.
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Another forgotten Trans Canada Airlines crash on an ILS approach to Malton, involving a near-new Super Connie inbound from Tampa:
https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 19541217-0
Same Captain was at the controls of a DC-4 over Quebec in 1957. Same captain, and the same root cause in my opinion, an opinion shared by many other professional pilots of the time..:
https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 19570811-0
https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 19541217-0
Same Captain was at the controls of a DC-4 over Quebec in 1957. Same captain, and the same root cause in my opinion, an opinion shared by many other professional pilots of the time..:
https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 19570811-0