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PC 12 down, South Dakota

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12 on board, crashed after takeoff. Poor weather in area.
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1/2 mile 400 overcast . 12 people on board departing after midnight .

hmmm great decision making .
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Its What I do wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:01 am 1/2 mile 400 overcast . 12 people on board departing after midnight .

hmmm great decision making .
What's wrong with that? It's an IFR capable airplane with -let's assume- an instrument rated pilot. Pretty sure this is a daily occurence in Canada, in way worse environments.
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Considering the weather at the time and how short the flight was could it have been wing contamination?
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What's wrong with that? It's an IFR capable airplane with -let's assume- an instrument rated pilot. Pretty sure this is a daily occurence in Canada, in way worse environments.
Evidence here would indicate it was an issue and wx was a factor. Even with a mechanical no quick return possible.
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valleyboy wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:31 am
What's wrong with that? It's an IFR capable airplane with -let's assume- an instrument rated pilot. Pretty sure this is a daily occurence in Canada, in way worse environments.
Evidence here would indicate it was an issue and wx was a factor. Even with a mechanical no quick return possible.
Just because the weather was a factor does not mean taking off in 1/2 mile with 400 ovc is crappy decision making.
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digits_ wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:25 am Just because the weather was a factor does not mean taking off in 1/2 mile with 400 ovc is crappy decision making.
More likely the decision to take off in heavy snow from an airport with no deicing equipment.
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You know that the safety driven aviation world would have an issue with 400 and 1/2 with a single engine aircraft IFR Common sense dictates that if you are below a safe return altitude you probably should not go. I don't think a 703 twin would be safe either unless you were crew and less than 500lbs . I know where you are coming from - been there done that but as one matures the invincibility of youth fades somewhat. Taking off in wx that should have a t/o alternate, regardless of regs and catagory should not be conducted single engine. It's no different than taking off over gross.
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The storm was so bad the investigation team was stuck 100 miles away and hoped to get there today. thats a storm, wonder what the runway was like at midnight.....
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Losing one engine, you’re screwed anyways. Let’s say it was 1000 OVC and the guy already had the reciprocal approach loaded. How likely do you think that a rosy picture will present itself when he breaks visual?

With larger planes, more passengers, and paying public passengers.. we need things like two engines, net takeoff performance, take off alternates, etc.

But a private PC-12? Has anyone ever died in one because of engine failure.. never mind engine failure after takeoff? The possibility of that happening is so slight as to not really be worth considering. The PC-12 is less than half as likely to have an engine failure as a King Air (because of the alternate FCU). Far far less likely to have one than a piston twin. As a couple of recent events have proved, even King Air models that have to meet net takeoff flight path requirements can crash.

This sounds like a crash due to snow contamination, not engine failure. Just like the King Air that went into the raspberry patch in Abbotsford a couple years ago.
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there are pics showing contamination on the horizontal and wings etc ... no deice , no broom ....no fly

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Re: PC 12 down, South Dakota

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digits_ wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:25 am
valleyboy wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:31 am
What's wrong with that? It's an IFR capable airplane with -let's assume- an instrument rated pilot. Pretty sure this is a daily occurence in Canada, in way worse environments.
Evidence here would indicate it was an issue and wx was a factor. Even with a mechanical no quick return possible.
Just because the weather was a factor does not mean taking off in 1/2 mile with 400 ovc is crappy decision making.
The conditions were 1 degree in moderate snow. There is no holdover time with any de-ice fluids in those conditions! It is not known if they used any fluids at all.

There were 12 guys on board an aircraft that has a maximum seating of 11. Most PC12's run 9-10 seats.

Even if the airplane was pulled out of a hangar completely clean, there would be no way to depart without serious contamination in those conditions!

That is crappy decision making.

The weather ALWAYS gets better, it just takes time! Time is your friend when you are on the ground trying to get airborne.

If you can not get everything to line up DO NOT DEPART!

End of rant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... cials-say/
Terrible that three generations of the family passed away.

Twelve people were onboard midday Saturday when the plane went down in rural Brule County en route from Chamberlain to Idaho, Brule County State’s Attorney Theresa Maule Rossow said. Survivors were taken to hospitals around Sioux Falls, S.D., for treatment. The passengers, part of a hunting party, ranged in age from 7 to 81, and the three survivors are males ages 17, 27 and 28.
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