It doesn’t matter who’s in the office. Even if we did get rid of “him”, we should happily pay to provide safe, reliable and secure transportation for our PM.
When he is no longer the PM what would you suggest as secure transportation for the next leader of our country?DadoBlade wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:38 amActually, a Global 7500 would suit His Highness and His Sycophants perfectly, however, the entourage of media and support miscellany would require an additional aircraft, such as a second-hand Boeing 737-900ER once owned by a Middle-East potentate. Ultimately, a two (2) aircraft minimum is required to transport our PM, including his ego.
Putting political partisanship aside on who has the keys to the PM’s office, long distance travel to various points thorought the world has always been an essential component of any sitting government. No, certainty not the lavish travel styles like some Middle East Sheik despots nor a comm platform like Air Force one but a long range type for security and communications for the sitting PM and his/her required associates. Having said that I suspect the G of C will continue to pour money into that aging junkster because spending money on new aircraft acquisition for PM travel is unpalatable similar to 24 Sussex Drive. It’s a shame in my view but that is how it goes here in Canada.bcflyer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:50 amWhen he is no longer the PM what would you suggest as secure transportation for the next leader of our country?DadoBlade wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:38 amActually, a Global 7500 would suit His Highness and His Sycophants perfectly, however, the entourage of media and support miscellany would require an additional aircraft, such as a second-hand Boeing 737-900ER once owned by a Middle-East potentate. Ultimately, a two (2) aircraft minimum is required to transport our PM, including his ego.
Chretien only flew in Challengers, avoiding what he called the "flying Taj Mahal" that this aircraft was equipped as under Mulroney. That left the one vip 310 to be largely unused as it wasn't good at troop transport or cargo. I believe it was generally what people took up to fly circuits with while the rest of the fleet was being used operationally. Chretien also was a huge Bombardier fan, and helped see the struggling Challenger project to fruition when he was Minister of Industry before becoming PM. This meant Canada showed up to world summits in a short RJ and parked beside rows of vip 747s and 340s. It had the added benefit of no space for media to travel with him. In reality, the vip A310 "CC150 Polaris" looks like a 1970s Winnebago inside. It's nothing luxurious. Rows of extension cords line the cabin floor so people can have power for laptops etc.
The economics of repairing wrinkled skin on a 310 fuselage and an engine could suggest a write off and parting out of this 35+ year old hull. They may pay to repair it, given that procurement works as a glacial speed in Canada. In addition, any government purchasing new vip transport for itself faces difficult criticism for treating itself to opulence, regardless of if it's warranted.
The military Challengers were bought and forced on the military to help out struggling Canadair that was on the edge of bankruptcy. Some were used as "red air" in fighter training and electronic warfare. A few (after removing the gold plated lav sinks the original customer ordered and one rumoured to have a "Mecca meter" which always pointed to Mecca, should anyone need to know in which direction to pray) were removed, were converted to government Vip duty. The A310s were originally Wardair machines that were forced on the military after a notorious merger with a crown corporation. In both cases, a very nonstandard method of procurement that had a much easier spin for the public.
While new 330 combi and refuelers are needed, as are new Globals, with the current state of equipment in the Canadian Forces and RCAF, I think even Trudeau would have difficulty justifying a purchase for his needs.
Here she is when nearly new, back in 1988, without the Aeroflot paint job it now has.
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Wardair ... bath8IUz9X
I would be curious to know more about these chocks if the aircraft actually did go over them.
The last time I saw one of these ex-Wardair A-310's hit a hangar was out in Vancouver during an engine run. Can't find a picture of that incident anymore.
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Also, despite cries from various quarters about the 'MSM' and their 'left-wing bias', you'll note the bias in linking the plane to Mr. Trudeau, rather than to the Prime Ministership or the Government in general.
Lastly,the whole argument for business aviation is that the CEO's time is too valuable to be wasted on sitting in airport waiting room rather than getting on with their trips and discussing business privately in their own aeroplane. As a country, we should get off the pot, and buy two, three, or four Globals for routine executive transport. Perhaps, for larger events (G7 conferences, and the like) we could charter from Air Canada, and thus save the cost of having a wide-body tucked away in a hangar somewhere, waiting for the PM's call..
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But engines Off and a little bit of momentum would be enough to make it jump them.
Probably the same with an A-310 or any aircraft this size and mass...
Also they can be bought for less the scrap value, but then the RCAF would need to put the manpower into scrapping them.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/tr ... london-u-k
A Global makes sense on many levels and is what several heads of state use. It would have the speed, range, small footprint and easily complete the Vip, military medevac and light utility cargo transport that current Challengers do. They're not dedicated Vip machines.
There will also be a need for a larger machine that has more capacity, and that fleet will likely have to hold double duty as a strategic airlifter doing troop and cargo transport and likely refuelling as well. The government is not going to buy a single widebody fleet just for Vip.
With the APU off, you can release the parking brake, but might not have enough hydraulic pressure to put it back on without the APU driving a hydraulic pump.