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Some pics starting to circulate of a Perimeter Metro off the edge in Shamattawa. Initial word is no one injured.

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Perimeter update
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Is the runway cleared?
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Is the Metroliner such a masterpiece of an airplane that there is nothing else that could do the job?
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Student practice in Shamattawa !
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Looking at the leetle tires and the big snow on the rwy, I would ave thought TC or Shammattttawa dept of roads would have at least required the beast be chained up !
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Curious, does contact with snow bank classify as a prop strike? Even if no damage, my guess is that it probably would? If so, this will be expensive.........
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Just leave that noisy, beaten-up airplane right there to be stripped of its parts.
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telex wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:33 pm Is the Metroliner such a masterpiece of an airplane that there is nothing else that could do the job?
Not at near those operating costs! I hear total operating costs per hour of a 1900D are almost double those of a Metro...
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GoinVertical wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:26 am
telex wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:33 pm Is the Metroliner such a masterpiece of an airplane that there is nothing else that could do the job?
Not at near those operating costs! I hear total operating costs per hour of a 1900D are almost double those of a Metro...
That's a tough price to pay for a lifetime of hearing damage and back problems.
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telex wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:33 pm Is the Metroliner such a masterpiece of an airplane that there is nothing else that could do the job?
It is a masterpiece when guided by a master. It is a dangerous piece of shit when guided by a dangerous piece of shit. I hope this helps
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WestTexasDeathPencil wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:22 pm
GoinVertical wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:26 am
telex wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:33 pm Is the Metroliner such a masterpiece of an airplane that there is nothing else that could do the job?
Not at near those operating costs! I hear total operating costs per hour of a 1900D are almost double those of a Metro...
That's a tough price to pay for a lifetime of hearing damage and back problems.
Neither airplane belongs in the north. They both need 5000' of runway to carry a load in the summer, maybe 6000 for the texas death pencil.

How's Perimeter solving their balanced field length problem on the Metro 3?
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goingnowherefast wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:05 pm
WestTexasDeathPencil wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:22 pm
GoinVertical wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:26 am

Not at near those operating costs! I hear total operating costs per hour of a 1900D are almost double those of a Metro...
That's a tough price to pay for a lifetime of hearing damage and back problems.
Neither airplane belongs in the north. They both need 5000' of runway to carry a load in the summer, maybe 6000 for the texas death pencil.

How's Perimeter solving their balanced field length problem on the Metro 3?
Some of the rumours I've heard is that their numbers (for landing) assume you touch down in the first 200 ft of the runway (vs 1000 ft for "normal" operations). For take off, I don't know. Didn't they remove all the insulation from the plane to make it lighter?

I agree that a metro does not belong up north. Things can go wrong quickly in that plane, and the gravel runways simply don't have the length/width or facilities to deal with it properly.
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They're up to 8-10 Dash 8's now so evolution is happening.

There has been a 19 seat airplane built in 15 years and nothing pressurized is on the radar. A fast twin otter by Cessna built for fedex 1st and people 2nd (sounds like the caravan) is all there is coming down the pipe and it's using 80's era ancient pt6-65 engines (1900C has them)
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bobcaygeon wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:32 pm They're up to 8-10 Dash 8's now so evolution is happening.

There has been a 19 seat airplane built in 15 years and nothing pressurized is on the radar. A fast twin otter by Cessna built for fedex 1st and people 2nd (sounds like the caravan) is all there is coming down the pipe and it's using 80's era ancient pt6-65 engines (1900C has them)
Am I to understand Perimeter is parking the 704 fleet in favour of expanding the Dash 8 fleet? I sure hope so.
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digits_ wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:08 pm
goingnowherefast wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:05 pm
WestTexasDeathPencil wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:22 pm

That's a tough price to pay for a lifetime of hearing damage and back problems.
Neither airplane belongs in the north. They both need 5000' of runway to carry a load in the summer, maybe 6000 for the texas death pencil.

How's Perimeter solving their balanced field length problem on the Metro 3?
Some of the rumours I've heard is that their numbers (for landing) assume you touch down in the first 200 ft of the runway (vs 1000 ft for "normal" operations). For take off, I don't know. Didn't they remove all the insulation from the plane to make it lighter?

I agree that a metro does not belong up north. Things can go wrong quickly in that plane, and the gravel runways simply don't have the length/width or facilities to deal with it properly.
Wow, that went anti Metro pretty quick. Yes, there was an accident up north. Was there a similar thread about B200s after the many accidents they've had?

I'd like an explanation as to why the plane doesn't belong up north? Other than a personal opinion...

Balanced field has been solved since the first day PAG operated them. Use the approved manufacturer's charts just like any balanced field operation.

The insulation in a Metro 3 is part of the type certificate and is not removed.

While the Metro 2 is admittedly loud, the 3 is not ear splitting like everyone says.

If you don't agree that, due to "thing going wrong quickly", a Metro doesn't belong up north I suggest you stick to something slower & lighter and fly to wider & longer runways.

There's been more than a few 1900 operators try up north and none could make a go of it. I think the real conversation should be why a 1900 doesn't belong up north!!
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ei ei owe wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:13 amThere's been more than a few 1900 operators try up north and none could make a go of it. I think the real conversation should be why a 1900 doesn't belong up north!!
There is actually more 1900 north of 60 than Metros...
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When the height of the snowbank exceeds the height of your wings, it might be time to start refusing to land there until better snow removal infrastructure is put in place.
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co-joe wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:25 am When the height of the snowbank exceeds the height of your wings, it might be time to start refusing to land there until better snow removal infrastructure is put in place.
I know that at certain airports, there are strict rules governing snowbanks(perhaps someone could give the details). I wonder if these northern airports fall into that category of requirements.
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co-joe wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:25 am When the height of the snowbank exceeds the height of your wings, it might be time to start refusing to land there until better snow removal infrastructure is put in place.
Nah, those snow banks prevented the aircraft from really going off the side of the runway.

Think of them like bumpers in the bowling alley.
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