Snowbird crash in CYKA

[ohoh]

These last 2 screen captures show pretty clear, and anything following there is no sign of the bird.

[L39Guy]

Or how about a drone?

[Heliian]

That looks like an awefully small object to completely shut a turbine down but it is possible.

[ohoh]

I'm definitely no expert but comparing the jets to the "object" I'd say hawk, falcon or crow size...bigger then a sparrow but smaller then an eagle.
Maybe it was a drone, but it is most certainly gone once the jet passes, immediately followed by "pull up".
The engine in these is small as well,

[ohoh]

Sorry, another post ended up in between my post and the video I'm referring to.
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1740577859866

[Schooner69A]

"why most military jets seem to adopt a profile of staying low and building up airspeed..."


I don't remember any of the military jets I flew having Vx or Vy speeds. I think because the excess thrust makes such things moot... In addition, I think the excess thrust would produce such a nose-high attitude that it, in itself, would be a safety hazard.

Airliners that adopt a higher-than-normal angle of climb do so for noise abatement requirements, not IAW Vx or Vy…

Even in the light civilian twins in which I flew, we didn't pitch for Vx or Vy after take-off. As I remember, we used to place the flight director in the "Go around" mode. Turns out that pitch angle would damn near give you the SE Vy in the event an engine calved. There was then no need to pitch down at all... Just continue to marry the pitch bars and the little airplane and fly away!

[jakeandelwood]

Or how about a drone?

Oh jeez, if it turns out a drone went thru that engine someone will be shitting bricks, and there will be a headhunt out for him, and so there should be.

[L39Guy]

Bearing in mind that this is all pure speculation, the "object" in the video appeared to be a single object. The J85 can eat a single bird no problem and it can eat many birds without too much difficulty; geese are a different story.

But to have one object take out that engine, it had to be something significant in either in size or strength. Judging by the relative size of the object against the aircraft, that was not a large object whatsoever.

The engine damage will hopefully tell the story; birds leave lots of blood, guts and feather in the compressor stages; a hard object like a small drone would show entirely different damage patterns.

[cncp2]

I spend a fair bit of time looking up at a drone, and they get small quick. If that is a drone, it's one of those Mavic Air handheld little things. A bit bigger than a softball. Not out of the question. Not sure how it would kill an engine though.

cncpc

[2R]

Does the parachute system have a reserve chute ?
I have seen how quick a reserve chute can deploy and it is way quicker than what the video showed the chute opening .
A cheap fix might be to look improving the chute , bigger drouge , spring loaded like a reserve , just speculation on my part as I am not familiar with the tutor chute .
Random brain droppings ,
Also not familiar with chute opening at zero airspeed .
Base jumpers seem to get there chutes open pretty quick from zero airspeed . Maybe the SAR techs that are more familiar with modern chutes should have a look at a redesign of the chute. If required . Might be the best kit .
I had a draftsman friend who redesigned fuel caps for almost a year on one project . No shame in redesigning if improvements can be made .

Comments made with the caveat and understanding i may look stupid and ignorant , but I am willing to grasp at straws and engage in constructive dialogue if it saves someone on our side .

[cncp2]

Does the parachute system have a reserve chute ?
I have seen how quick a reserve chute can deploy and it is way quicker than what the video showed the chute opening .
A cheap fix might be to look improving the chute , bigger drouge , spring loaded like a reserve , just speculation on my part as I am not familiar with the tutor chute .
Random brain droppings ,
Also not familiar with chute opening at zero airspeed .
Base jumpers seem to get there chutes open pretty quick from zero airspeed . Maybe the SAR techs that are more familiar with modern chutes should have a look at a redesign of the chute. If required . Might be the best kit .
I had a draftsman friend who redesigned fuel caps for almost a year on one project . No shame in redesigning if improvements can be made .

Comments made with the caveat and understanding i may look stupid and ignorant , but I am willing to grasp at straws and engage in constructive dialogue if it saves someone on our side .

I used to jump round canopies and had to go to the reserve twice. Yeah, they come out right smart. The mains, though, are sleeved. The pilot chute pulls the sleeve off and that allows air to fill the canopy. Reserves have no sleeve. Ejection chutes have no sleeve. They are a reserve chute. And round canopies. In skydiving, all the chutes, main and reserves, are squares now.

[frosti]

Does the parachute system have a reserve chute ?

No.

[airway]

Does the parachute system have a reserve chute ?
I have seen how quick a reserve chute can deploy and it is way quicker than what the video showed the chute opening .
A cheap fix might be to look improving the chute , bigger drouge , spring loaded like a reserve , just speculation on my part as I am not familiar with the tutor chute .
Random brain droppings ,
Also not familiar with chute opening at zero airspeed .
Base jumpers seem to get there chutes open pretty quick from zero airspeed . Maybe the SAR techs that are more familiar with modern chutes should have a look at a redesign of the chute. If required . Might be the best kit .
I had a draftsman friend who redesigned fuel caps for almost a year on one project . No shame in redesigning if improvements can be made .

Comments made with the caveat and understanding i may look stupid and ignorant , but I am willing to grasp at straws and engage in constructive dialogue if it saves someone on our side .

I used to jump round canopies and had to go to the reserve twice. Yeah, they come out right smart. The mains, though, are sleeved. The pilot chute pulls the sleeve off and that allows air to fill the canopy. Reserves have no sleeve. Ejection chutes have no sleeve. They are a reserve chute. And round canopies. In skydiving, all the chutes, main and reserves, are squares now.

Just out of interest, why did reserve chutes used to be round, and why are they squares now?

[AirFrame]

Just out of interest, why did reserve chutes used to be round, and why are they squares now?

Round chutes aren't directional, and in an emergency where you could be tumbling or not in a predictable orientation at opening it maximizes the chances of success.

For sport parachutes, the main is always square because sport parachutists like to be able to "fly" on the way down. Reserves started to become square as well because people wanted them and were willing to give up a little safety in exchange for a chute that let them have more directional control of the descent after opening.

[cncp2]

Just out of interest, why did reserve chutes used to be round, and why are they squares now?

Reserves started to become square as well because people wanted them and were willing to give up a little safety in exchange for a chute that let them have more directional control of the descent after opening.

I was just happy one of them opened.

[co-joe]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1740577859866

Why does this guy look so familiar? Was he in that TV show Jetstream?

[Aux1]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1740577859866

Why does this guy look so familiar? Was he in that TV show Jetstream?

Did you ever watch a TV series called Airshow? Albatross guy. Amongst other stuff.

[ohoh]

" In the aftermath, I learned that at rotation, my #2 engine had ingested a bird, causing near catastrophic damage and destroying the fan blades of the small J85 engine. "
https://sofrep.com/fightersweep/bird-hand/

[co-joe]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1740577859866

Why does this guy look so familiar? Was he in that TV show Jetstream?

Did you ever watch a TV series called Airshow? Albatross guy. Amongst other stuff.

Loved that show. Totally remember now, thanks. RIP Marcus Paine

[ogopogo]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1740577859866

Why does this guy look so familiar? Was he in that TV show Jetstream?

http://scratchmitchell.com/aviator/