Thunder Bay airport accident
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Thunder Bay airport accident
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.tbnewsw ... rt-4227830
No details yet but the picture doesn’t look good.
Anyone have any info?
No details yet but the picture doesn’t look good.
Anyone have any info?
Re: Thunder Bay airport accident
Heard from someone at YQT currently it was an aero-commander, crashed on take-off. Fingers crossed they were able to egress.
Re: Thunder Bay airport accident
1 fatality. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder- ... -1.6143338
Aircraft took off 12 (towards the photographer). Left turn out. Fire is on runway 25.
https://archive.liveatc.net/cyqt/CYQT-G ... -0100Z.mp3 9:00
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Re: Thunder Bay airport accident
We worked with those guys this summer. Top notch crew.
RIP
RIP
Re: Thunder Bay airport accident
The live atc recording has a Bearskin airplane on the frequency for a long time. How were they involved?
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There isn't really much on the recording. The incident aircraft confirms 12 for takeoff and that's it. the rest is emergency response.
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Re: Thunder Bay airport accident
Bearskin landed on RWY 25 just before Mag Aero Commander took off Rwy 12. Nothing more. It could have been AC/WJ. Knowing Thunder Bay the aircraft were likely pretty close to each other.If you listen earlier in the tape it sounds like the crews knew each other. Not surprising as NW Ontario is a very small pilot group.
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Bearskin would have been taxing to terminal. Judging by the the photo, the accident was parallel to where the Bearskin flight was taxing. Probably close behind them. Ground did ask if they wanted to stop and help their buddy. Their response was, paraphrasing, huh? A few seconds later, you can tell they see what has happened.
Thoughts go out to all the families and friends.
Thoughts go out to all the families and friends.
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Bearskin would have been only a couple hundred feet from the crash at most. Lucky they didn't get hit.
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My condolences.tractor driver wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:24 am We worked with those guys this summer. Top notch crew.
RIP
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The pilot was on leave from Bearskin working with Mag for the summer. My condolences to our ALPA brothers and sisters at Bearskin and his Mag family. My heart is with you during this painful time.
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I see TWO fires on Runway 25.
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Sorry I still don't understand why.bobcaygeon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:46 am This will show why.....
https://saultonline.com/2021/08/fiery-p ... rson-dead/
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Aircraft probably hit and rolled. The main fire is likely the aircraft burning whereas the smaller fire on the left is likely either spilled fuel or part of the aircraft left behind.Bede wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:20 pmSorry I still don't understand why.bobcaygeon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:46 am This will show why.....
https://saultonline.com/2021/08/fiery-p ... rson-dead/
Re: Thunder Bay airport accident
Does MAG use the modified external rudder lock, the type that deflects the rudder when installed?
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Re: Thunder Bay airport accident
Not sure about MAG, but those modified rudder locks typically deflect the rudder to the right. Unlikely that this would cause a crash to the left.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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A comment from an American pilot on a thread that I happened to read today about a different accident that I found interesting. I thought I would post it based on the last two posts on this thread.
"First flight at a new job in a 500 Aero Commander, I left the rudder lock (block of wood) in. Never had flown a Commander before. Missed it on the preflight, it sits up high above eye level (no excuse.) There was enough slop and bending that I thought the control check for that aircraft was normal. Nose steering in the Commander is controlled by light inputs to the toe brakes. It was not until we were airborne that we realized what was going on. Rudder trim was backwards, acting itself as a small rudder. Came around and landed without incident. No engine out training that flight."
"First flight at a new job in a 500 Aero Commander, I left the rudder lock (block of wood) in. Never had flown a Commander before. Missed it on the preflight, it sits up high above eye level (no excuse.) There was enough slop and bending that I thought the control check for that aircraft was normal. Nose steering in the Commander is controlled by light inputs to the toe brakes. It was not until we were airborne that we realized what was going on. Rudder trim was backwards, acting itself as a small rudder. Came around and landed without incident. No engine out training that flight."
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That would only be valid if the rudder was locked in the neutral position. With the 15 (?) degree offset on the other type, you would notice it before you are airborne. It's a lock at full rudder deflection. Which implies you would need to bring one engine to idle to counter its effect at rotation speed.pelmet wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:37 am A comment from an American pilot on a thread that I happened to read today about a different accident that I found interesting based on the last two posts here.
"First flight at a new job in a 500 Aero Commander, I left the rudder lock (block of wood) in. Never had flown a Commander before. Missed it on the preflight, it sits up high above eye level (no excuse.) There was enough slop and bending that I thought the control check for that aircraft was normal. Nose steering in the Commander is controlled by light inputs to the toe brakes. It was not until we were airborne that we realized what was going on. Rudder trim was backwards, acting itself as a small rudder. Came around and landed without incident. No engine out training that flight."
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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No flight control abnormalities according to this preliminary report.
https://www.timminstoday.com/local-news ... rt-4235497
https://www.timminstoday.com/local-news ... rt-4235497