C-182 crashes near Needle Peak

[cncpc]

It wasn't night. 3:40pm is about 45 mins before sunset.

I wonder where the 5:30 pm thing came from. I think that is the time in the Saskatchewan version of Lloyd.

[karmutzen]

I wonder where the 5:30 pm thing came from.

From the initial news report from CTV. Once the registration was known it could be plugged into FLIGHTRADAR24 for a track and time. Track is bizarre, wonder if he was in any contact with ATC. The 5:30 now appears ambiguous, as in when SAR was notified, not when it actually "disappeared" from radar. I don't know if the last track point was point of impact or how far from there it flew out of radar contact.

From "CTV" on the first post of this thread:
"Lt. Pamela Hogan told CTV News the CAF received a notification that a C182 disappeared from radar at around 5:30 p.m. Monday, and that a Cormorant search and rescue helicopter was dispatched to the area.
While the helicopter was forced to turn back Monday night due to inclement weather, the crash scene was located early Tuesday morning."

[Heliian]

Were they sightseeing first? It looks like they tried to get into hope but got blocked and tried for Merritt.

Well, the weather didn't really seem conducive to sightseeing. I assume they were just trying to get through/around the clouds. Looks like 55kt wind from the west at 10,000ft, based on their track log.

I was wondering what they were flying in circles around over the usa. If they were in the shit that early on in the flight, then why try to continue? I guess the flight school wasn't able to get that across.

[cncpc]

Unbelievable doesn't begin to describe this.

The airplane first appears at Nanaimo at around 7000 feet. So it likely came from somewhere else.

It then proceeds southeast bound, entering US territory, which would have required it to be in touch with some agency. It seems to be at some height. Then it heads north and is lost.

Surely there is some discussion going on in all of this. Surely he was being given options on how to resolve the issues. If one of the options was to land in Bellingham, or anywhere down there, it would have been mildly complicated by the need to clear in.

Anybody got any actuals, and GFA's. For where, yeah, who knows? Little idea where he came from, no idea yet where he was going.

It only seems slightly less absurd if it was daylight. While weather must have been the major issue, in the later stages, hypoxia may have come into it if no bottle in that airplane. It seems that he must have had it in his head that he would find holes to climb to VFR on top, and find other ones to descend in. That seems to be the likely explanation for those circling tracks.

Anybody find a CADOR?

[CpnCrunch]

Metars and taf are at Ogimet metars.
Gfa at Gfaarchive.info

[cncpc]

Metars and taf are at Ogimet metars.
Gfa at Gfaarchive.info

Thanks.

[cargocowboy]

Guy had 80hrs TT and was headed for Missoula. Attempting to fly anywhere in a 182 on that particular day was insanity, Missoula would be (was) suicidal.

[SpyPilot]

Where did you come up with the flight time?

How do you know it was headed for Missoula?

The aircraft is registered to a Lloydminster company and address. According to FlightAware, it was tracking north in the vicinity of the Coquihalla after overflying Hope before crashing near Needle Peak.

Apparently, after leaving Nanaimo it flew southeast crossing into U.S. airspace over the Southern Gulf Islands. After some unusual maneuvering in northwest Washington State it crossed back into Canada east of Abbotsford, managed to find Hope and the rest is history.

P.S. After further review. The area where the maneuvering appeared was in near line with a direct track from Nanaimo to Missoula. Likely ran into crap, decided to bail and try for home.

[cargocowboy]

Aircraft was registered to Border City Aviation but apparently he had purchased it recently. Source is/was close to the pilot in question, and also a pilot.

[karmutzen]

Don't think Missoula is a port of entry, no customs, he'd have planned to clear elsewhere. I'd have gone Bellingham, and get it out of the way, especially with weather questionable through destination.

If you put on your regulator hat, where was the system failure here? Something missing in training? Weather briefing?

[cargocowboy]

I'm hesitant to spread second hand information and opinion, but 10:1 the final report says something about Human Factors - Hazardous Attitudes

[cncpc]

Aircraft was registered to Border City Aviation but apparently he had purchased it recently. Source is/was close to the pilot in question, and also a pilot.

Still registered to Border City. Sale must have been in last few weeks.

Missoula makes sense though. I mean, as an explanation for why he was in US territory. The idea of going there in that weather was very foolish.

[cncpc]

Don't think Missoula is a port of entry, no customs, he'd have planned to clear elsewhere. I'd have gone Bellingham, and get it out of the way, especially with weather questionable through destination.

If you put on your regulator hat, where was the system failure here? Something missing in training? Weather briefing?

You've got Therman Munson syndrome in the mix, or substitute any name of any pilot who had an aircraft and nobody to say "Don't do that" and he did anyway and died, in this case taking someone else with him. I don't see fault with TC in this.

He had to be talking to ATC in all that stuff between takeoff and at least crossing by YXX.

[CpnCrunch]

Still registered to Border City. Sale must have been in last few weeks.

It's taking pacific region about 5 months to update registrations at the moment.

[cncpc]

Still registered to Border City. Sale must have been in last few weeks.

It's taking pacific region about 5 months to update registrations at the moment.

And Pacific Region TSB might as well not be there, from what I hear. No regional director, last one left under some cloud, no investigator who has ever been to a crash site.

I can't find a CADOR either.

[7ECA]

CADOR is up, #2021P2041:

Occurrence Summary
Date Entered: 2021-11-17
Narrative: A Border City Aviation Ltd. Cessna R182 (C-FBKJ) on a VFR flight from Nanaimo, BC (CYCD) to Glacier Park, MT (KGPI) was not in contact with air traffic control (ATC) and disappeared off the radar approximately 15NM northeast of the Hope, BC non-directional beacon (NDB). Subsequently, an emergency locator transmitter (ELT) went off that was consistent with the aircraft identification.

Occurrence Summary
Date Entered: 2021-11-25
Narrative: UPDATE: Aviation Incident Report: At approximately 2350Z, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) National Operation Centre (NOC) received a call from the US Army Air and Marine Operations Center (AMOC) regarding an aircraft that was last seen on their radar 15 miles east of Hope, BC. The aircraft was a Border City Aviation Ltd. Cessna 182 (C-FBKJ) which had departed from Nanaimo, BC (CYCD) and was en route to Glacier Park, MT (KGPI). The aircraft was following the flight plan until it became erratic when it approached bad weather in Central Washington State, which forced the pilot to return across the Canadian border. The aircraft was last seen approximately 15NM east of Hope, BC. Following a conversation between the RCMP NOC, AMOC and the NAV CANADA Operations Centre in Surrey, BC, the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) unit was notified. The emergency locator transmitter (ELT) was activated and a signal was heard. The CAF unit attempted to send a Cormorant, however it was not able to reach the area due to the current weather. The Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) was notified and the RCMP Hope detachment was investigating the incident. At 0940Z, the crash site was located. The coordinates are 49 32.96N / 121 07.99W, approximately 18.5NM NE of Hope, BC (CYHE). The fuselage was noticed from the air. Part of the aircraft was observed up in a tree. There had been 2 occupants onboard C-FBKJ. The Search and Rescue (SAR) crew was hoisted on site but the Cormorant had to leave the site to refuel. The Cormorant was unable to return to the crash site due to deteriorating weather. It was arranged for a second helicopter to be sent at first light to the crash site, weather permitting. The SAR technicians later confirmed that the 2 occupants of the aircraft did not survive.

[cncpc]

Thanks.

[cncpc]

He didn't have 7 children. He had two. It wasn't his wife who was the passenger.

The CADORS doesn't seem to match up with that FlightAware trace somebody was good enough to post here.

How reliable is that 88 TT figure? If it is reliable, who trained this guy? Who sold him this airplane? Border City?

[cargocowboy]

6 children between the 2 occupants.

[AirFrame]

The CADORS doesn't seem to match up with that FlightAware trace somebody was good enough to post here.

It's bang on if you take "central washington state" as "central washington *coast*".