C-182 crashes near Needle Peak

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C-182 crashes near Needle Peak

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This tragedy is in the area where heaviest rains fell the day before (Sunday Nov14) causing the flooding in southwest BC.
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No point of origin, no destination so far.

5:30 pm in pitch darkness, likely bad weather, in a 182?

No CADOR yet.

Pilot and passenger brought to hospital in Chilliwack the next day.
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A 40 year old man and a 35 year old woman from Lloydminster. A couple with 7 children left behind.

From the comments below, it seems they were northbound on the trip.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?p=4440368
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Re: C-182 crashes near Needle Peak

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"Disappeared from radar", a euphemism if I ever heard one. In that terrain it implies the 182R was high enough to be on radar in the first place, so 9K+? Cormorant couldn't get to it that night due weather, and they fly through almost anything. Needle Peak, so following the Coquihalla northbound, at night, in crap weather. Doesn't make any sense.
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Yeah, those questions are certainly out there.

At some point, he was high enough to show up on radar. In that area, the most likely radar head is the one on top of Fly Hills outside of Salmon Arm, on the west side. Going back in time a few years, a man from Thompson was enroute to Nanaimo and disappeared in a 172 with the last suspected hit at around 6000 where the Thompson flows into the Fraser,, or just about five miles east of there. Estimated or squawking 6000. But it wasn't any Canadian radar that picked that up, it was a US Border Patrol Citation just south of the border in Washington State.

At any rate, the temp at Hope at 5:30 that night was 6C. Expect freezing level at 3000 ASL, very likely a fair bit below where a radar return would be seen. If the Cormorant couldn't fly there, it had to be hard IFR.

Not likely a Hope departure. There are no lights at Hope.

A pilot friend reports that winds were gusting to 70 at Kelowna at that very time.

The 172 has never been found.
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….talking about all the time he was saving.
There’s the root cause of the accident.

There isn’t a thing in the world that would make me take a single engine piston aircraft over the mountains VFR at night in anything less than a waxing moon and crystalline skies verses parking the plane, getting a hotel, missing a day or several at home.

What a shame.
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Flight aware trace is unbelievable.CFBKJ
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crazy horse wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:26 pm Flight aware trace is unbelievable.CFBKJ
So is the gfa and metar. Icing, clouds, 40kt winds, cold front, 3sm in mist, etc.
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‘Bob’ wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:50 pm
….talking about all the time he was saving.
There’s the root cause of the accident.

There isn’t a thing in the world that would make me take a single engine piston aircraft over the mountains VFR at night in anything less than a waxing moon and crystalline skies verses parking the plane, getting a hotel, missing a day or several at home.

What a shame.
Or hangar it and fly home commercial, spend those days at home and go pick it up later. You’re not tied to the thing.
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crazy horse wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:26 pm Flight aware trace is unbelievable.CFBKJ
Wow, they really tried flying around everything they could see on the way. Except for the towering cumulogranite.
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‘Bob’ wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:50 pm
….talking about all the time he was saving.
There’s the root cause of the accident.

There isn’t a thing in the world that would make me take a single engine piston aircraft over the mountains VFR at night.
I think you added a bit too much to your statement so I fixed it for you.
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Re: C-182 crashes near Needle Peak

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There was a similar accident of a C182 from YYC hitting Needle Peak in June 2002

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-repor ... p0109.html
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karmutzen wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:09 am
Cormorant couldn't get to it that night due weather,
Stopped reading original article following that statement. Nothing more needs to be said.
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5x5 wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:24 am
‘Bob’ wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:50 pm
….talking about all the time he was saving.
There’s the root cause of the accident.

There isn’t a thing in the world that would make me take a single engine piston aircraft over the mountains VFR at night.
I think you added a bit too much to your statement so I fixed it for you.
Where’s your sense of adventure? Done it lots. Safer than a V1 cut in most turboprops.
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It wasn't night. 3:40pm is about 45 mins before sunset.
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Were they sightseeing first? It looks like they tried to get into hope but got blocked and tried for Merritt.
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Heliian wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:11 pm Were they sightseeing first? It looks like they tried to get into hope but got blocked and tried for Merritt.
Well, the weather didn't really seem conducive to sightseeing. I assume they were just trying to get through/around the clouds. Looks like 55kt wind from the west at 10,000ft, based on their track log.
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Dicey weather in that area this time of year
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CpnCrunch wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:22 pm
Heliian wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:11 pm Were they sightseeing first? It looks like they tried to get into hope but got blocked and tried for Merritt.
Well, the weather didn't really seem conducive to sightseeing. I assume they were just trying to get through/around the clouds. Looks like 55kt wind from the west at 10,000ft, based on their track log.
Agreed, sightseeing in that weather makes obvious nonsense
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