Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
Moderators: sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, lilfssister, North Shore
Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
http://www.680news.com/news/local/artic ... ham-region
Another Seneca aircraft crashes. Both occupants are ok. What is happening over there?
Another Seneca aircraft crashes. Both occupants are ok. What is happening over there?
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
Maybe Jazz distracted them calling to offer a pilot position.
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
I don't think there could be any original issue other than a hard/high speed/bouncing touchdown.
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
Perhaps this is applicable here:pto wrote:What is happening over there?
this is too easy.......I see 8-10kts tailwind (invisible to me as well) followed till after clearing south-end trees and after the stretched-out flare-period (3 seconds seemed long as pitot airspeed boosted in meeting west crosswind component mid-runway) allows the old red 68 Cessna to touch soon enough I guess. But now it was too fast on airspeed and quickly I realize 3/4gross is not letting it slow on this downslope ... evident in ~ 5 seconds of still relatively high groundspeed. I have full power on again at 60knots past halfway but aircraft now is very slow to accelerate on the grass but at the same time it's also hard too to see what's left of RWY over the (small) knoll ahead. At this point I 'dread the overshoot' and pull power off [facing a reality that the ACnow skids on the green grass ... eventually over the road into the vineyard where I am somewhat lucky for high wing
- FenderManDan
- Rank 6
- Posts: 490
- Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:40 am
- Location: Toilet, Onterible
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
Who knows what is the problem, glad both of them are ok.
Was that a grass landing exercise or that had an emergency?
Was it in 172 or Bonanza?
Was that a grass landing exercise or that had an emergency?
Was it in 172 or Bonanza?
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
Oh good AOW, now PDW can come in and explain it to us in his very clear terms. Must have been the V winds?AOW wrote:Perhaps this is applicable here:pto wrote:What is happening over there?this is too easy.......I see 8-10kts tailwind (invisible to me as well) followed till after clearing south-end trees and after the stretched-out flare-period (3 seconds seemed long as pitot airspeed boosted in meeting west crosswind component mid-runway) allows the old red 68 Cessna to touch soon enough I guess. But now it was too fast on airspeed and quickly I realize 3/4gross is not letting it slow on this downslope ... evident in ~ 5 seconds of still relatively high groundspeed. I have full power on again at 60knots past halfway but aircraft now is very slow to accelerate on the grass but at the same time it's also hard too to see what's left of RWY over the (small) knoll ahead. At this point I 'dread the overshoot' and pull power off [facing a reality that the ACnow skids on the green grass ... eventually over the road into the vineyard where I am somewhat lucky for high wing
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
I've never heard of a Cessna Bonanza.FenderManDan wrote: Was it in 172 or Bonanza?
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
It's a close cousin to the Cessna 7GCBC Cherokee-Muskateer.FlyGy wrote:I've never heard of a Cessna Bonanza.FenderManDan wrote: Was it in 172 or Bonanza?
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
That's why I love these boards so much. There is always something I can learn from you guys. Thanks for the info. I'm gonna go google that Cherokee-Muskateer now. How many seats?
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
IIRC, approximately 2.71828...FlyGy wrote: How many seats?
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
Just right for me, the wife, and my 2 year old twins then. Know of any for sale?AOW wrote:IIRC, approximately 2.71828...FlyGy wrote: How many seats?
-
- Rank 2
- Posts: 90
- Joined: Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:41 am
- Location: Montreal
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
Someone quoting the natural logarithm... ln...that made my day!AOW wrote:IIRC, approximately 2.71828...FlyGy wrote: How many seats?
Or was it accidental? hehe... if my memory serves me right, the 1828 is periodic.
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
Too many SOPs, not enough focus on actually flying an airplane.What is happening over there?
- Colonel Sanders
- Top Poster
- Posts: 7512
- Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:17 pm
- Location: Over Macho Grande
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
No ... e is a wonderful, irrational number. A lot like a hot woman:natural logarithm ... the 1828 is periodic
2.71828182845904523536028747135266249775724709369995
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 108
- Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:22 am
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
Does the Seneca program have some hidden clause which would have me believe that they are super humans who are not prone to accidents? I think not.
What's going on over there? I think what's going on is successful flight training for the most part mixed with a few who may in fact be incompetent. I think you will find that these types of events are somewhat isolated in practice and tend to happen all over the world!
This thread reeks of egocentric diarrhea
What's going on over there? I think what's going on is successful flight training for the most part mixed with a few who may in fact be incompetent. I think you will find that these types of events are somewhat isolated in practice and tend to happen all over the world!
This thread reeks of egocentric diarrhea
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
BINGO BINGO BINGOGessle64 wrote:Too many SOPs, not enough focus on actually flying an airplane.What is happening over there?
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 108
- Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:22 am
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
Doc wrote:BINGO BINGO BINGOGessle64 wrote:Too many SOPs, not enough focus on actually flying an airplane.What is happening over there?
126.7_STFU wrote:
This thread reeks of egocentric diarrhea
- Siddley Hawker
- Rank 11
- Posts: 3353
- Joined: Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:56 pm
- Location: 50.13N 66.17W
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
Kaopectate oughta take care of that.This thread reeks of egocentric diarrhea
- Cat Driver
- Top Poster
- Posts: 18921
- Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:31 pm
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
So what you are telling us is Seneca College of Applied Arts and Technology hires a few incompetent flight instructors because they are unable to identify them in their hiring process......and they just keep them until they wreck an airplane?What's going on over there? I think what's going on is successful flight training for the most part mixed with a few who may in fact be incompetent.
Just asking.......
- single_swine_herder
- Rank 7
- Posts: 627
- Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:35 pm
Re: Seneca College Crashes again, minor injuries.
I don't know about that recommendation Siddley, Kaopectate is rather old and somewhat passe now .... but I'll agree is eventually effective.Siddley Hawker wrote:Kaopectate oughta take care of that.This thread reeks of egocentric diarrhea
I've found something that reacts about the same as having a nice long drink of well-mixed 5 minute epoxy .... Immodium.
Works exceptionally well on the egocentric strain of diarrhea, while still offering an almost instant rectumification of the common verbal strain of diarrhea.
"Its Two, two, two strains in one" .... not unlike the Double Mint gum commercials.
No doubt, any "issues" at Seneca are similar to the same type of issues which are going on frequently at other FTUs in the country, or worldwide .... oh yes, I forgot ... they aren't FTUs, anywhere with some degree of structure to a training program is a "Puppy Mill." I wonder what the whole Commonwealth Air Training Plan was .... if not a huge series of "Puppy Mills," then at the very least they would be renamed as "Mink Breeding Farms" when viewed by the history revisionist group.