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Best theory Ive read yet about Malaysia Flight

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Shurshot, that was already posted here yesterday.
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There is only one explanation for the lack of transponder signal and the change in flight path (ie a navigation failure)...someone left their cell phone on in flight.
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goldeneagle wrote:Lots of speculation, lots of theories, slim in facts is essentially the order of business in this case.


Something else caught my attention as well. I see a lot of folks travelling these days, that carry thier own spot locator. It's rather common in various areas, I know a lot of scuba divers carry one, to try keep track of various dive sites they go to. Got me wondering as to wether or not any of the passengers on that flight may have had a personal spot locator with them, turned on, and what coverage is like in that area. Hmmmm, the globalstar website shows a large outage due to technical difficulties, centered over malaysia.

http://www.globalstar.com/en/images/cid ... 0_14v2.jpg

The green lines indicate the area with technical issues. Now I'm wondering out loud, it seems to be awfully co-incidental that the worlds biggest personal locator network, has an outage precisely in the area where this plane went missing. Dont know where to find out if that outage started before this flight went missing, or if it's something that came about since then. The sinister side of me says this is an awfully big co-incidence if that outage is recent. The outage seems to be due to technical problems with a downlink in singapore.

Spot provides an inexpensive way to track airplanes, but, even if there was one on the airplane in question, technical issues with globalstar coverage means, it wouldn't have been working in that area anyways, even if it was on the aircraft.

SPOT operating altitudes from the SPOT USER Guide:

"Operating altitude: -328 ft to 21,320 ft (-100m to 6,500m"

I can verify that SPOT does NOT work in an airliner at altitudes above FL190.

Even in the cockpit!!

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HHI wrote:
..... SPOT does NOT work in an airliner at altitudes above FL190.
In the context of this flight, Had there been service in the area and at least one spot in the airplane and turned on, It would have to get lower than FL190 at some point..

Unless this 777 is still stuck in the air...
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Great. Now everyone thinks there was a fire???? :roll:

Not likely. Most of that artcile is simply not true - and all the accidents he mentioned have incorrect facts/thoughts in them. Thats why it's no good.

So a fire starts (and no - not from the nose tires. Not possible) Fire spreads rapidly - period. Yes first thing would be to land as soon as possible - but, your going to contact ATC and tell them you are deviating to xxxx and landing for smoke/fire. Even Swissair had ATC communications till the very end. In fact, I cant think of a single in flight fire where they lost everything and disappeared. (AC, UPS, South African, Nationair, Swissair)

Has anyone actually looked at the waypoints the plane flew too? Hell and gone from the nearest airport. IGARI - VAMPI - GIVAL - IGREX, where it exceeded the radar range. The FMC was programed, the autiopilot flew it - a lot going on for a long time if there was a fire. Flying high, diving fast to put out the fire - someones been watching too many movies.
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There seems to be a pretty reliable sighting at about 8:15 Malaysian time March 8th of a low flying white and red jet airliner at a place called Kuda Huvadoo in Dhall Atoll. Coming from north to southwest towards Gan, with an international airport about 220 miles south, 8700 foot runway. Another 500 miles to Diego Garcia.
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If there was a fire maybe it developed so fast that there was no time to communicate with ATC before the pilots were incapacitated.

How much time does an oxygen mask and smoke hood afford you?
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As I understand it, the pilot had normal communications after the equipment stopped working,
Kind of rules out the whole fire idea if that was correct. Hard to understand why ATC did not notice or take action. Or maybe they did notice and did nothing. Some of these countries are not staffed by A team people. Not something I would think they would make public if they did notice it and did nothing.
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dirtdr wrote:
HHI wrote:
..... SPOT does NOT work in an airliner at altitudes above FL190.
In the context of this flight, Had there been service in the area and at least one spot in the airplane and turned on, It would have to get lower than FL190 at some point..

Unless this 777 is still stuck in the air...
Last words on SPOT in this bit of thread drift. The SPOT unit has to be able to "see" the satellite to report or track. Would have to have been held up to a passenger window at the correct bank angle or angle from the satellite.

SPOT effective usage in any passenger seat in an airliner highly unlikely.

It was not received by the satellite while positioned against the side cockpit window while airborne in my B777 cockpit a couple of years ago.

Works extremely well in my light aircraft.

Sorry for the thread drift, but I hope this will end speculation on a "what if...." about a SPOT tracking unit.

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The theories get more bizarre by the day.
What I'm noticing is, a suspicion or double or quadruple hearsay of a dubiously qualified
opinion becomes fact.

Facts claimed are quoted without providing the source.
It's like a bunch of drunks repeating a story around a bar
and then publishing it as fact.

The press seem to be looking for the most bizarre story that they
can think of and running with it. It appears that Malaysian Airlines
modify their story to suit what the press, public and relatives want.

I've heard people say Michael Mckay's observation was discredited.
That appears to be hearsay upon hearsay upon misunderstandings.

The Vietnamese aircraft did a search where he thought the fireball was
but he could not have got the distance correct. The track and his bearing
were several hundred miles apart, that was a distance that he could see
over the horizon.

The Fact that they did not find wreckage where he said he saw it does not
discredit him.

The Vietnamese did however see debris, photographed it and it sure looks
like aircraft debris to me, lots of it, and it was exactly where the
ocean current could have take it. That was discounted because it was
not on the map where the transponder stopped.

Then the Chinese Satelite took pics, and finally the Cathay Pacific
flight saw debris... All of these spottings of Debris at different times
and places all seem to be possible that the current was moving the debris.

Navy buddy tells me 50 to 70 miles a day in that area is not unclommon.
The current could be spinning around in circles, Some debris could
be going 3kts south and another bunch could end up on a split of the currrent
and go in the opposite direction or a complete circle.

There is a general current and localized currents that can spin in circles.

Absent looking with Sonar in the water at that location, I don't believe
anyone should believe what Malaysian Airlines tell us.

As for the cause..
I'll predict catastrophic disintegration that was caused most probably
by a flight computer gone mad that overstressed the airframe.
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As for the cause..
I'll predict catastrophic disintegration that was caused most probably
by a flight computer gone mad that overstressed the airframe.
You are right. More bizarre by the day, and based completely without facts. Good example.

We are talking, for the most part, of a generation or two raised on fantasy video games, so creating scenarios is second nature.

The cause. Well it will come out. I predict it was an alien takeover and a probing that went wrong (giggity) causing detraction in the cockpit, and the resulting fires, sightings, and political fallout. What country wants to suggest an alien hijacking? I even have reason to believe the crew was replaced by two americans named Quagmire and Griffin...and my prediction is based everybit on the reliable information posted here as any other.
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I was trying to go to sleep but...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/peop ... e/6556383/

Wanted to post this in case it turns out Courtney Love found it while you guys were posting in this thread instead of helping her look.
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What I'm noticing is, a suspicion or double or quadruple hearsay of a dubiously qualified
opinion becomes fact.
Welcome to the club. :roll:
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Wanted to post this in case it turns out Courtney Love found it while you guys were posting in this thread instead of helping her look.
Nah......shes too late. Turns out we were all looking in the wrong spot.
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There seems to be a pretty reliable sighting at about 8:15 Malaysian time March 8th of a low flying white and red jet airliner at a place called Kuda Huvadoo in Dhall Atoll
Source?
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I won't be surprised if any village in Asia suddenly announces a big jet flew by.
I looked on Flight Tracker and one large A/C was flying nearby.
That island appears to be near the circuit for the airport.

I don't believe a word of the "military" and "primary" radar's of what they claim they saw.I

I see that no one has bothered to look for an underwater ping in the area of where the last transponder
was heard and so far, it's the only possible place with any evidence to support it.

If Malaysia Airlines can keep the world looking elsewhere for a few weeks, the battery will run out
on the underwater beacon.

I cannot comprehend why an underwater search has not started near that last transponder point
and equally concerned that INMARSAT are claiming the signal and the patten.

It's that INMARSAT signal that I'd like to see some clear evidence that it was transmitting
7 hours after that last transponder signal was received.

From my view, the words used don't sound they as though that information is credible.
What's disturbing is that it is not Rolls Royce or Inmarsat but MA giving out the information.
Could it be that they got the Eight Hour Time difference confused?

boeingboy wrote:
There seems to be a pretty reliable sighting at about 8:15 Malaysian time March 8th of a low flying white and red jet airliner at a place called Kuda Huvadoo in Dhall Atoll
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... g-jet.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-1 ... ed-summary


links to the reports of sightings of a low flying airliner, colours matching Malaysia airlines in the Maldives, don't want to get caught speculating but it says "several" witnesses saw the same plane. and witness says they could clearly make out the doors on the aircraft it was so low.
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I see that no one has bothered to look for an underwater ping in the area of where the last transponder
was heard and so far, it's the only possible place with any evidence to support it.
How do you know that no one has looked? You definitely must have some non public information sources.
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If the last Inmarsat ping is so credible, they should also have a complete series of pings, showing the flight track.
Why do they only talk about the last one?
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