Malaysia Airlines 777 - Missing

[cncpc]

Now everybody suffocated and the airplane was on autopilot and a 777 is very difficult to fly manually.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/world/ ... story.html

[righthandman]

I am convinced someone (some organization, authority, group) knows the whereabouts of this aircraft.

I find it inconceivable it just "dropped off the edge of the world" without it being tracked by some technology out there.

Now having said that I wouldn't dare guess the "who", "what", "where", "why" and "how" of it all, as to how it all "went down". And I mean that both figuratively and literally. The "when" is obvious but that's about it. Was it all one big weird accidental sequence of events? Or was it deliberate and if so...was it via internal or external influences; in other words did the flight crew co-operate or were they hijacked by, well... whatever? It really is a big mystery. Everything becomes speculation beyond the "when".

A plane just can't keep flying incommunicado without some close tracking and/or intercept after a certain amount of time goes by. I mean there HAS to be some military procedures in place if the civilian system fails. OR if it was deliberate there would be ways and means in place to follow the progress. And the various "explanations" and string of proposed locations are just way too "fishy" with all the contradictory aspects and false leads and weird missteps in the search etc. (Sorry for all the quotes but I mean it is, S U C H a mystery... it warrants it.)

Anyway...Someone knows... THAT'S my only point here.

[cncpc]

You are right. Someone knows.

[Sidebar]

... I wouldn't dare guess the "who", "what", "where", "why" and "how" of it all, as to how it all "went down".

Watch your back dude. NSA has your number.

[GyvAir]

... I wouldn't dare guess the "who", "what", "where", "why" and "how" of it all, as to how it all "went down".

Watch your back dude. NSA has your number.

And PDW is going to be on you for horning in on his rampant use of quotation marks.

[pdw]

Only where extra highlighting is required GYVair

The 'when and where' was possible here only because of the engine technology that enabled the pings to the satellites. The modern tracking systems are disabled somehow, and now the suggestion the autopilot guided it to de-fuel into a radarless noman's land. The 'who and what' is on hold ...

[righthandman]

... I wouldn't dare guess the "who", "what", "where", "why" and "how" of it all, as to how it all "went down".

Watch your back dude. NSA has your number.

I'm sure you're right. And now that you used the "N" word you might now even end up on the no-fly list.

[righthandman]

Only where extra highlighting is required GYVair

The 'when and where' was possible here only because of the engine technology that enabled the pings to the satellites. The modern tracking systems are disabled somehow, and now the suggestion the autopilot guided it to de-fuel into a radarless noman's land. The 'who and what' is on hold ...

Well... yes but... the track of the plane after the radio silence is pretty convoluted if you ask me, at least how the history of the official postion was portrayed. I am personally not convinced we are being told the so called truth or reality. For example:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26503141


(Look at the Source of the information at the bottom of the image.. it seems pretty "official"... and yet how do you reconcile all these course changes?)

This BBC report has the military showing the plane changing direction twice, and then it pops up in a different part of the world yet again apparently, meaning a third change of direction. If it's not the people manually doing this then you are saying the automation decided to change direction 3 different times? How? On what basis? This was programmed in or was it malfunctioning or how the heck do you explain it? So for me out of the W5, the only evident part is the "When"; the rest is damn mysterious if you ask me.

[StratusSmoke]

The aircraft is located between Jakarta and Christmas Island where the sea floor drops off sharply. The person responsible is living the good life on an island in Indonesia. It's all in the book I'm writing.

[ikarus]

Read this on few sites recently, wonder if new claim has any credibility....although I remember reading through on previous pages on this topic that there were few reports from locals in the Maldives claiming they saw something flying low near the shore....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 39710.html

[Diadem]

Read this on few sites recently, wonder if new claim has any credibility....although I remember reading through on previous pages on this topic that there were few reports from locals in the Maldives claiming they saw something flying low near the shore....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 39710.html

This reminds me of the South Park episode where the Surgeon General tells everyone that it's healthier to eat by inserting food into one's rectum, "And I'm basing this, of course, on absolutely nothing." Being a former airline executive doesn't grant this man any particular knowledge about an incident that occurred at a different company in a different part of the world; being a pilot doesn't grant me any special insight either. He has no evidence whatsoever to back up his claim, particularly that it was remotely hijacked, and it's absurd to think that it was both remotely hijacked and had an unrelated fire that caused the shut down of all tracking equipment at the same time. That's an incredible coincidence. As for the Maldivians seeing the plane, I've found one unnamed source who gave a quote to local media ten days after the disappearance which was then picked up by other networks; no one seems to have done any work to confirm his story, and all of the quotes about "villagers" having seen the plane come from him claiming that others saw it. That's an anonymous, unverified fourth-hand account. The Americans have never been shy about advertising that they stopped terrorists, even at the expense of civilian lives, and if they had shot down the plane to keep it from being used against Diego Garcia they probably would have given a medal to whoever did it.

[Meatservo]

I don't fly this kind of plane. I am tempted to believe that the idea of a "remote hijacking" by a "hacker" is complete and utter nonsense. I can't imagine it being even remotely possible.

Being an "airline executive" doesn't mean you know the first thing about how aeroplanes work.

[cgzro]

I think that we have to remember that Inmarsat and the pings have never before been used to track an aircraft. This isn't an acknowledged or even proven tracking method. It's barely acknowledged now. It may well be total horseshit.

Round trip of an RF signal divided by two is a very common method of determining distance. Its used by a zillion different applications including Radar. Since the satellite knows when it sent the ping to within a few microseconds and they know how long the device takes to respond and the satellite knows when it received the response its basic math to compute the surface of a sphere on which the plane must be. They can even tell the error and compute two spheres. Intersect that sphere's surface with the surface of the earth s
(Solve the two equations) and presto you have an arc or arcs if you factor in the timing error. (Likely well below a microsecond). Thats all very basic hyperbolic trig and identical to what your GPS (except the distance calc is one way in GPS) does so no exotic magic there.

Then to determine if the plane was flying toward or away from the satellite the slight change in frequency can tell you. Good old Doppler effect, same as a police radar.. Again no magic, just basic physics.

A good grade 12 physics student could probably do the math given the data.

Seems pretty solid to me. The only things that could screw you up would be if the satelite clock had a huge error which is unlikely or if the device in the plane took variable amounts of time to respond, also unlikely.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Only a dreamer would still think that nobody knows something. Somebody KNOWS where this airplane is. Count on it! Somebody just isn't talking. There is no other answer. Personally, I believe it was shot down......and the why and wherefore will remain secret for as long as humanly possible.
Illya

[iflyforpie]

Only a dreamer would still think that nobody knows something. Somebody KNOWS where this airplane is. Count on it! Somebody just isn't talking. There is no other answer. Personally, I believe it was shot down......and the why and wherefore will remain secret for as long as humanly possible.
Illya

I doubt it. Occam's Razor.... ....what possible motivation would someone have? And if there was motivation, what possible motivation would there be to cover it up? And if there was motivation to cover it up, how exactly would they accomplish that? And if they had the resources to accomplish it, how would they keep any of the thousands of people who would have to be involved from coming forward or having a crisis of conscience?

Another Malaysian plane was shot down... and there is very little mystery as to how and why in the grand scheme of things.

People are attracted to conspiracy theories for some reason..... in spite of how completely preposterous they would be. A simple history lesson on the bumblings of the various government agencies shows you that they cannot even be trusted to manage a B&E

[cncpc]

I think that we have to remember that Inmarsat and the pings have never before been used to track an aircraft. This isn't an acknowledged or even proven tracking method. It's barely acknowledged now. It may well be total horseshit.

Round trip of an RF signal divided by two is a very common method of determining distance. Its used by a zillion different applications including Radar. Since the satellite knows when it sent the ping to within a few microseconds and they know how long the device takes to respond and the satellite knows when it received the response its basic math to compute the surface of a sphere on which the plane must be. They can even tell the error and compute two spheres. Intersect that sphere's surface with the surface of the earth s
(Solve the two equations) and presto you have an arc or arcs if you factor in the timing error. (Likely well below a microsecond). Thats all very basic hyperbolic trig and identical to what your GPS (except the distance calc is one way in GPS) does so no exotic magic there.

Then to determine if the plane was flying toward or away from the satellite the slight change in frequency can tell you. Good old Doppler effect, same as a police radar.. Again no magic, just basic physics.

A good grade 12 physics student could probably do the math given the data.

Seems pretty solid to me. The only things that could screw you up would be if the satelite clock had a huge error which is unlikely or if the device in the plane took variable amounts of time to respond, also unlikely.

I may be wrong, but I don't think the satellite and the aircraft were hooked into any mutual dialogue. The aircraft did not subscribe to that system, as I understand it, It was just pinging away at random, not in response to the Inmarsat. It seems to me that if the pings were responses to specific Inmarsat transmissions, there would be little doubt where the aircraft went. Last I heard, it was somewhere along a 2 or 3 thousand mile arc.

[Diadem]

As for MH370, theories about remote hijacking and being shot down at a US military base are highly improbable, and the much simpler explanation is that a crew member turned off the comms and tracking equipment before flying it out over the ocean. It's not a certainty, but it's by far the most realistic explanation, as opposed to something that's never ever happened before like the Russians taking control of an airliner in flight. As for someone knowing where it is, the ocean is big and the ocean is deep. It took 73 years to find the Titanic, and they knew where it was to a much closer degree than this aircraft.

[CFM Symphony]

The main flaw I see with the search, since the satellite info came in, is the assumed distance. I have no doubt in the accuracy of the pings and the subsequent track the searchers have established based on them. However the distance down the "corridor" was established based on estimated cruise speed and altitude, multiplied by a factor of the estimated fuel on board. When we are considering an unknown situation in the aircraft and the vastness of the ocean, this is a pretty big assumption.

As bleak as it may seem, I think at some stage, after repeated efforts, the search will be cancelled. Sometime in the future - perhaps decades away, when new technology exists - an eccentric billionaire may fund a program to find the missing airliner.

[cgzro]

may be wrong, but I don't think the satellite and the aircraft were hooked into any mutual dialogue. The aircraft did not subscribe to that system, as I understand it, It was just pinging away at random, not in response to the Inmarsat. It seems to me that if the pings were responses to specific Inmarsat transmissions, there would be little doubt where the aircraft went. Last I heard, it was somewhere along a 2 or 3 thousand mile arc.

Subscription validation in most broadcast ststems like cellular/satellite is done AFTER a minimal communication exchange is done with an authentication system. This allows a central authority to turn on and off features, expire free usage etc. So there will still be occasional checks that require a few messages be exchanged. In this case the period appears to be 1 hour between handshakes.

Random pinging is rarely allowed on such precious spectrum as a satellite otherwise transmissions would interfere with each other. Usually there is a scheduling mechanism with time slots for new requests so they dont interfere with existing granted requests.

So the distance measurement for the arcs makes perfect sense given how modern telecommunications systems work in general.

[Mig29]

Bede,

and do you??

Anyways.....I really hope someone comes up with some evidence of this 777, so that we may put this mystery to rest. It should only benefit and improve the safety factor in aviation if we ever figure out what happened to this airliner.