ALPA blacklist?
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ALPA blacklist?
I’ve got several friends working mainline WJ and AC and have had a few conversations about the new Swoop thing. I’ve been told that any person taking a job with Swoop will be put on an “unofficial” blacklist by all ALPA member companies so good luck getting another job if you ever leave Swoop or if they close up shop, etc? Is that even a thing?
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There is a large thread discussing this in the WestJet sub forum. Yes it appears to be a thing.
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ALPA/ACPA don't have a lot of say in the hiring process. You'll have to convince the HR ladies who are too busy looking for liberal arts and basket weaving degrees.
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So, if ACPA says to the company that they don’t want any pilots from swoop on property, they won’t listen to them. Also, it’s two pilots and one HR person conducting the interview, taking notes, I know how I’d play that card if the company insists on interviewing them.
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I was going to say.
I think this is a scarecrow tactic. Unions are typically bark and no bite.. unless you haven’t paid your protection money... er... union dues.
I think this is a scarecrow tactic. Unions are typically bark and no bite.. unless you haven’t paid your protection money... er... union dues.
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This is completely false.
Every airline interview will consist of meeting/interviewing/reviewed by a pilot within that Airline. Their veto power is huge.
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But It’s going to sound an awful lot like Russian figure skating judging if he vetos a candidate with time on type or heavy jet experience vs someone off the street with Q or 1900 time, all else the same.
It might even go to the labour board as discrimination if less qualified candidates were hired. Or the media.
Just spitballing... I don’t have a horse in either race.
It might even go to the labour board as discrimination if less qualified candidates were hired. Or the media.
Just spitballing... I don’t have a horse in either race.
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The people hiring pilots at AC don't care about any blacklist created by a group of pilots they don't care about. The pilots on the board might, maybe, have an off chance of voting against a Swoop pilot once but I doubt they would stick their necks out to even try and if they did they wouldn't get away with it a second time. The legal liability for AC from a discrimination point of view would be jaw-dropping, if anything they would go out of their way to hire Swoop pilots to avoid even looking like they are discriminating based on past employment.Zaibatsu wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:51 am But It’s going to sound an awful lot like Russian figure skating judging if he vetos a candidate with time on type or heavy jet experience vs someone off the street with Q or 1900 time, all else the same.
It might even go to the labour board as discrimination if less qualified candidates were hired. Or the media.
Just spitballing... I don’t have a horse in either race.
But, to be clear AC does value Q, or 1900 time at Express to be worth more points that heavy jet experience. I know that was just an example but ...
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Its just union and pilots that care about this. Management would not want to to expose themselves to a potential discrimination suit when they can hire a bottom feeder who they know has jet time and is willing to take abuse and low pay and be quiet.
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Once ALPA get's it's dues from the Swoopsters, any threat will be null and void.
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There is no legal requirement not to discriminate based on "past employment". You can discriminate on many grounds including past employment, education, etc. You just can't discriminate based on prohibited grounds such as sex, religion, etc.AvifiskAlly wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:28 amThe legal liability for AC from a discrimination point of view would be jaw-dropping, if anything they would go out of their way to hire Swoop pilots to avoid even looking like they are discriminating based on past employment.
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Exactly you essentially cant discriminate on things protected by the charter, where you worked before is not one of those things.
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For anyone who is looking to upgrade equipment or move on to a better carrier / lifestyle, etc, it's disheartening that your career choice can be held against you. Just doesn't seem right.
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It can’t be held against you. The two prior posters are only highlighting discrimination under human rights. AC does not discriminate based on past employer which is very clear in the statements made on the portal and website. Could you imagine anything different? Don’t feed the trolls man. AC will not and does not discrinimate based on an ALPA”BS Blacklist” that could make the first few pilots that try pretty rich.supersonic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:25 am For anyone who is looking to upgrade equipment or move on to a better carrier / lifestyle, etc, it's disheartening that your career choice can be held against you. Just doesn't seem right.
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Except that the AC pilot union supports the blacklist!AvifiskAlly wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:13 pmIt can’t be held against you. The two prior posters are only highlighting discrimination under human rights. AC does not discriminate based on past employer which is very clear in the statements made on the portal and website. Could you imagine anything different? Don’t feed the trolls man. AC will not and does not discrinimate based on an ALPA”BS Blacklist” that could make the first few pilots that try pretty rich.supersonic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:25 am For anyone who is looking to upgrade equipment or move on to a better carrier / lifestyle, etc, it's disheartening that your career choice can be held against you. Just doesn't seem right.
And the odds are pretty good that one of the people reviewing your job application to AC is a union member or leader.
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And what would the cause of action be for such a suit?AvifiskAlly wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:13 pmAC will not and does not discrinimate based on an ALPA”BS Blacklist” that could make the first few pilots that try pretty rich.supersonic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:25 am For anyone who is looking to upgrade equipment or move on to a better carrier / lifestyle, etc, it's disheartening that your career choice can be held against you. Just doesn't seem right.
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Even if the support is there for a blacklist at the troop level at AC they cant simply raise their hand and say don't hire Bob because our union supports a blacklist of our competitors nor would the HR dept who is head is past labour law at AC. The liability is simply too great and given AC has absolutely no dog in the fight there is not a chance in hell the blacklist will stop or even slow down even a single person going to AC. Anyone that says otherwise is fearmongeringRezy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:08 pmExcept that the AC pilot union supports the blacklist!AvifiskAlly wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:13 pmIt can’t be held against you. The two prior posters are only highlighting discrimination under human rights. AC does not discriminate based on past employer which is very clear in the statements made on the portal and website. Could you imagine anything different? Don’t feed the trolls man. AC will not and does not discrinimate based on an ALPA”BS Blacklist” that could make the first few pilots that try pretty rich.supersonic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:25 am For anyone who is looking to upgrade equipment or move on to a better carrier / lifestyle, etc, it's disheartening that your career choice can be held against you. Just doesn't seem right.
And the odds are pretty good that one of the people reviewing your job application to AC is a union member or leader.
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AvifiskAlly wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:08 pmEven if the support is there for a blacklist at the troop level at AC they cant simply raise their hand and say don't hire Bob because our union supports a blacklist of our competitors nor would the HR dept who's head person is past labour law at AC. The liability is simply too great and given AC has absolutely no dog in the fight there is not a chance in hell the blacklist will stop or even slow down even a single person going to AC. Anyone that says otherwise is fearmongeringRezy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:08 pmExcept that the AC pilot union supports the blacklist!AvifiskAlly wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:13 pm
It can’t be held against you. The two prior posters are only highlighting discrimination under human rights. AC does not discriminate based on past employer which is very clear in the statements made on the portal and website. Could you imagine anything different? Don’t feed the trolls man. AC will not and does not discrinimate based on an ALPA”BS Blacklist” that could make the first few pilots that try pretty rich.
And the odds are pretty good that one of the people reviewing your job application to AC is a union member or leader.
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The AC union put out a letter of support for the blacklist. That was done by the union leaders, not “troop” level. I think I’ve made my point over and over again. The person reviewing your application at AC is very likely to support the blacklist. Because managers don’t sit in interview rooms at airlines, you don’t sit across from the chief pilot, you sit across from HR and a pilot.AvifiskAlly wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:08 pmEven if the support is there for a blacklist at the troop level at AC they cant simply raise their hand and say don't hire Bob because our union supports a blacklist of our competitors nor would the HR dept who is head is past labour law at AC. The liability is simply too great and given AC has absolutely no dog in the fight there is not a chance in hell the blacklist will stop or even slow down even a single person going to AC. Anyone that says otherwise is fearmongeringRezy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:08 pmExcept that the AC pilot union supports the blacklist!AvifiskAlly wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:13 pm
It can’t be held against you. The two prior posters are only highlighting discrimination under human rights. AC does not discriminate based on past employer which is very clear in the statements made on the portal and website. Could you imagine anything different? Don’t feed the trolls man. AC will not and does not discrinimate based on an ALPA”BS Blacklist” that could make the first few pilots that try pretty rich.
And the odds are pretty good that one of the people reviewing your job application to AC is a union member or leader.