Huge discouragement

[photofly]

Networking is another word for backside kissing. Why doesn't ones experience count for much?

Oh that’s an easy one. Because your experience increases on the job, so you only need enough to get you in the door. But your attitude, personality and human skills are with you forever - they need to be good enough on day 1 to see you through to the end of your career.

[YYZSaabGuy]

Networking is another word for backside kissing. Why doesn't ones experience count for much?

...your attitude, personality and human skills are with you forever - they need to be good enough on day 1 to see you through to the end of your career.

Or they at least need to be open to further development as you meet people, gain experience, build relationships, and mature. Social skills and emotional intelligence are as foundational as aptitude, flight training and hours in building a successful career. The good news is that you can learn them. The bad news is that you have to recognize there is a need to do so, and then take action to meet that need.

[schnitzel2k3]

Many many moons ago I was at Landmark really early one day for a flight across the ocean. I got my airplane ready to go and then had some time to kill while I waited for the skipper to show up.

I bumped into a couple of airline guys. I stood around with a coffee in my hand while they bitched nonstop back and forth about this and that. They complained about how they thought they should be given this or given that, because they have this many hours and this many years of seniority.

When there was a break, I did something I do not normally do, I said something. I thought it was constructive.

I said, the reason you are not getting hired by such and such is because you are a piece of S#!t. His eyes began to bulge and for a second I thought he was going to punch me before I could explain what I meant. I clarified by saying that I stood there and watched him piss moan and complain about this guy and that guy and that subject and that MEL etc for an hour. In an hour I did not hear a single good thing about anything.... I said you are like a big festering pile of s#!t. Tomorrow AC calls and says you have an interview. You go out, get a haircut, a new suit and a 20 dollar shave. I told him he was basically rolling that POS around in sprinkles and sparkles and trying to pass it off as a chocolate sprinkle donut.

An HR person that is worth a darn, is going to know in 10 seconds that the suit, tie and haircut are simply sprinkles on top of something that is already quite off kilter. Something won't add up and they will pass.

You want a job? Be excited, be happy, have a positive mindset. Generate skills and abilities outside of the flight-deck that are appealing to employers. Let other people see those skills, someone else telling the boss you are a great guy will go way further that you telling someone you are a great guy. Stop whinging about not getting a job simply because you have a license.

HR doesn't care about your logbook as much as you think they do. They care about the attitude you have hiding under the sparkles. Make sure it is the one they want and you will have your pick of places to go.

*slow clap*

S.

[Roadrunnersmother]

Networking is another word for backside kissing. Why doesn't ones experience count for much?

Oh that’s an easy one. Because your experience increases on the job, so you only need enough to get you in the door. But your attitude, personality and human skills are with you forever - they need to be good enough on day 1 to see you through to the end of your career.

5000+ hrs should be enough to get in to the door at airline for B1900 FO position.

[Aviatard]

5000+ hrs should be enough to get in to the door at airline for B1900 FO position.

It isn’t. Hours alone don’t get you a job. If that were the case there wouldn’t be any interview process.

[Roadrunnersmother]

5000+ hrs should be enough to get in to the door at airline for B1900 FO position.

It isn’t. Hours alone don’t get you a job. If that were the case there wouldn’t be any interview process.

What does? I've applied to multiple airlines.

[DrSpaceman]

This is the new Nicky nick guys...
Don’t feed the troll.

[daedalusx]

Maybe it's the horrible resume and cover letter that makes HR give up before getting down to your experience level. Could also be auto flagged and trashed by the software that analyze it before even getting to a human being. By the sound of your posts you do sound like a unpleasant entitled dingus, but perhaps you could do some self introspection and rewrite your resume and cover letter since it's obviously not working the way it currently is ?

At the end of the day I'd rather fly a 4 days pairing with a 2000hr bright positive guy/gal then a miserable 5000+ hrs guy who thinks he knows better than anyone.

Also the airlines aren't for everyone ... I know I was a much happier person flying a smaller plane for an owner that knew me than be a just a number in a national carrier. Don't take it personally... Maybe they know it just wouldn't be a good fit.

[Roadrunnersmother]

Maybe it's the horrible resume and cover letter that makes HR give up before getting down to your experience level. Could also be auto flagged and trashed by the software that analyze it before even getting to a human being. By the sound of your posts you do sound like a unpleasant entitled dingus, but perhaps you could do some self introspection and rewrite your resume and cover letter since it's obviously not working the way it currently is ?

At the end of the day I'd rather fly a 4 days pairing with a 2000hr bright positive guy/gal then a miserable 5000+ hrs guy who thinks he knows better than anyone.

Also the airlines aren't for everyone ... I know I was a much happier person flying a smaller plane for an owner that knew me than be a just a number in a national carrier. Don't take it personally... Maybe they know it just wouldn't be a good fit.

I paid couple hundred to Pilot Career Center for professional cover letter and resume.

[digits_]

Maybe it's the horrible resume and cover letter that makes HR give up before getting down to your experience level. Could also be auto flagged and trashed by the software that analyze it before even getting to a human being. By the sound of your posts you do sound like a unpleasant entitled dingus, but perhaps you could do some self introspection and rewrite your resume and cover letter since it's obviously not working the way it currently is ?

At the end of the day I'd rather fly a 4 days pairing with a 2000hr bright positive guy/gal then a miserable 5000+ hrs guy who thinks he knows better than anyone.

Also the airlines aren't for everyone ... I know I was a much happier person flying a smaller plane for an owner that knew me than be a just a number in a national carrier. Don't take it personally... Maybe they know it just wouldn't be a good fit.

I paid couple hundred to Pilot Career Center for professional cover letter and resume.

Doesn't matter how much you paid for it, it's obviously not working

[Roadrunnersmother]

Maybe it's the horrible resume and cover letter that makes HR give up before getting down to your experience level. Could also be auto flagged and trashed by the software that analyze it before even getting to a human being. By the sound of your posts you do sound like a unpleasant entitled dingus, but perhaps you could do some self introspection and rewrite your resume and cover letter since it's obviously not working the way it currently is ?

At the end of the day I'd rather fly a 4 days pairing with a 2000hr bright positive guy/gal then a miserable 5000+ hrs guy who thinks he knows better than anyone.

Also the airlines aren't for everyone ... I know I was a much happier person flying a smaller plane for an owner that knew me than be a just a number in a national carrier. Don't take it personally... Maybe they know it just wouldn't be a good fit.

I paid couple hundred to Pilot Career Center for professional cover letter and resume.

Doesn't matter how much you paid for it, it's obviously not working

I agree. I will let them know to reformat.

[a313]

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[lownslow]

What do you plan on doing if six months from now you're still in the same position as you are right now?

Creating a new username with the same gripes. Duh.

[Roadrunnersmother]

Doesn't matter how much you paid for it, it's obviously not working

I agree. I will let them know to reformat.

What do you plan on doing if six months from now you're still in the same position as you are right now?

Get a suit and do road trip to hand deliver my cover letter and resume.

[Aviatard]

I agree. I will let them know to reformat.

What do you plan on doing if six months from now you're still in the same position as you are right now?

Get a suit and do road trip to hand deliver my cover letter and resume.

This might be a better idea:

http://www.torontotruckdrivingschool.com/

[Diadem]

Get a suit and do road trip to hand deliver my cover letter and resume.

You mean introducing yourself to others, shaking hands... What do you call it? Networking?

[Roadrunnersmother]

Get a suit and do road trip to hand deliver my cover letter and resume.

You mean introducing yourself to others, shaking hands... What do you call it? Networking?

I mean walking my cover letter and resume in to 705 ops chief pilots. Online application is not working to date.

[digits_]

Get a suit and do road trip to hand deliver my cover letter and resume.

You mean introducing yourself to others, shaking hands... What do you call it? Networking?

I mean walking my cover letter and resume in to 705 ops chief pilots. Online application is not working to date.

And what are you going to do if you manage to speak to the chief pilot? Drop it on their desk without saying a word? You'll probably say hello, introduce yourself a bit, make some small talk? Ergo, you'll be networking!

[DanWEC]

Well, that and you don't exist, so there's that....

Best insult on AvCanada in a long time. Classy yet destructive. General yet personal. Impressive!

Why thank you,
You are gentleman and a scholar, with cleary incontrovertible taste.

By the way, to this Nickynick reincarnate- You do know that in most cases a 705 Chief Pilot doesn't necessarily wear the HR hat? If you had 400 pilots to herd on a daily basis would you want some imaginary polkaroo walking into your office in the middle of the day during irops?

On second thought... that would be awesome.

[trey kule]

Yes, yes, that is a great idea. Walk into the 705 CPs office ( btw, there is typically more than one, so make sure it is the honcho of honchos you deal with.)

Give some thought to increasing your resume paper size to make it stick out from the rest. Laminating it and including a photo might also help.

Forget the suit. You are not selling insurance. Dress for success and look the part. Airline uniform with four bars on the sleeves and a fancy pair of wings ( the good metal kind...skip the plastic ones). Demonstrate to them how lucky they are to get you. Be confident.

And if you speak English, like you write it in your post, tell them it is a second language and you are a third world, pre op , transexual refugee. That should move you to top spot on three of their hiring quotas.

I like to be modest about helping others so please do not mention who gave you this excellent advice...

Now go get em....