Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
I posted this a year or so ago on OTS thread
First Jan 2018 GS had the following composition roughly - I'm guessing the WJ,SW,TA components vary a little school to school but not much, the only larger employer missing was Cargojet
- 3 porter
- 1 corporate
- 5 Encore
- 1 WJ
- 15 Jazz
- 2 Air Transat
- 4 SKY
- 2 Sunwing
- 3 GGN
- 1 Morningstar
- 1 exMilitary
First Jan 2018 GS had the following composition roughly - I'm guessing the WJ,SW,TA components vary a little school to school but not much, the only larger employer missing was Cargojet
- 3 porter
- 1 corporate
- 5 Encore
- 1 WJ
- 15 Jazz
- 2 Air Transat
- 4 SKY
- 2 Sunwing
- 3 GGN
- 1 Morningstar
- 1 exMilitary
Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
Why do people include per diems as part of their Salary?
They are employer reimbursement for unspecified,work related,out of pocket expenses.
And CRA does not consider them salary. Check yout T4s.
The sense I get it is similar to asking someone the temperature and they include the wind chill .sounds more impressive than it is.
As far as overseas work, keep in mind tax rates. During my time overseas, my pay had a total of 17% in deductions, including full medical, insurance, pension savings,and taxes...less than half of what a Canadian pilot at the top end gets hit with, and equates to tens of thousands a year more in the bank. As well as subsidized housing, private world class schools for the kids, longer holidays.
Canadian pilots do not get top wages except at the very upper end of the pay senority list and a huge chunk of that is taxed at 43% or so.
They are employer reimbursement for unspecified,work related,out of pocket expenses.
And CRA does not consider them salary. Check yout T4s.
The sense I get it is similar to asking someone the temperature and they include the wind chill .sounds more impressive than it is.
As far as overseas work, keep in mind tax rates. During my time overseas, my pay had a total of 17% in deductions, including full medical, insurance, pension savings,and taxes...less than half of what a Canadian pilot at the top end gets hit with, and equates to tens of thousands a year more in the bank. As well as subsidized housing, private world class schools for the kids, longer holidays.
Canadian pilots do not get top wages except at the very upper end of the pay senority list and a huge chunk of that is taxed at 43% or so.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
Or, because it reflects an increased rate of heat loss, it gives you a more accurate description of just how much being in the elements is going to suck.
I don't think people include per diems as salary. It is however an important part of the compensation package and some companies do it better than others. Nothing wrong with it being a consideration when it comes to employment opportunities.
Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
Exactly. If you get $50k in per diems a year compared to $3k tax Free, it most certainly makes a difference.shimmydampner wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:29 amOr, because it reflects an increased rate of heat loss, it gives you a more accurate description of just how much being in the elements is going to suck.
I don't think people include per diems as salary. It is however an important part of the compensation package and some companies do it better than others. Nothing wrong with it being a consideration when it comes to employment opportunities.
Just as if overtime is readily available or only goes to the top guys. It all has a hand to play in what makes a company
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Until the next recession....
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I mean I understand the thought is Air Canada isn't going anywhere no matter how bad it gets, but Both Sunwing and even more so Transat have been around for a while now. I don't believe they are all THAT vulnerable anymore. I mean Sunwing is turning 14 and Transat is literally 2 months younger than me. 32 years isn't anything to sneeze at.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
Lots of you were not in the industry prior to 9-11 were you?
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I was johnnynotsohotrocksJohnnyHotRocks wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:08 pm Lots of you were not in the industry prior to 9-11 were you?
Yes how many times has the current airlines in Canada declared or about to declare bankruptcy in the past say 20 years? AC 2, everyone else 0. Until the next recession loser
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How many Canadian airlines started between 1930 and now are still around?Alcoholism wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:26 pmI was johnnynotsohotrocksJohnnyHotRocks wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:08 pm Lots of you were not in the industry prior to 9-11 were you?
Yes how many times has the current airlines in Canada declared or about to declare bankruptcy in the past say 20 years? AC 2, everyone else 0. Until the next recession loser
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
I wonder if that’s what the low seniority guys who were laid off from Air Canada were saying? “Gee honey, I’ve been laid off, but my company has been around since 1930!”Tail-Chaser wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:13 amHow many Canadian airlines started between 1930 and now are still around?Alcoholism wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:26 pmI was johnnynotsohotrocksJohnnyHotRocks wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:08 pm Lots of you were not in the industry prior to 9-11 were you?
Yes how many times has the current airlines in Canada declared or about to declare bankruptcy in the past say 20 years? AC 2, everyone else 0. Until the next recession loser
Meanwhile the guys who lost their jobs at C3, Jetsgo, Skyservice, etc went to Westjet when times were good or went overseas and lived happily ever after.
Geez did I say that....? Or just think it....?
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That's kinda my point. I don't think it a was a good argument to say "Westjet, SW, or AT have never declared bankruptcy so they're better options" or something like that when tons of Airlines went under in the 2000s. The current ones might not have, but that doesn't mean they're immune.iflyforpie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:24 amI wonder if that’s what the low seniority guys who were laid off from Air Canada were saying? “Gee honey, I’ve been laid off, but my company has been around since 1930!”Tail-Chaser wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:13 amHow many Canadian airlines started between 1930 and now are still around?Alcoholism wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:26 pm
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Yes how many times has the current airlines in Canada declared or about to declare bankruptcy in the past say 20 years? AC 2, everyone else 0. Until the next recession loser
Meanwhile the guys who lost their jobs at C3, Jetsgo, Skyservice, etc went to Westjet when times were good or went overseas and lived happily ever after.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
None. Altho the name 'Air Canada' is still painted on the sides of the airplanes, the company has been thru numerous corporate changes and restructures over time, including a bankruptcy that sent the old company down the tubes and spawned a new one that continues to paint 'Air Canada' on the side of the airplanes, but is in fact a completely different corporate entity vs the original Air Canada. That way it works, during liquidation the receiver will sell all of the assets with value, and one of the value assets in this case is the name, and the new corp rising out of the ashes purchases the name and the airplanes that already have that name painted on the side. But the same entity it is not, and never will be again. The Air Canada of the 30's is long gone.Tail-Chaser wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:13 am How many Canadian airlines started between 1930 and now are still around?
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In the thirties it was called Trans Canada Airlines the name change to Air Canada did not come until 1964.The Air Canada of the 30's is long gone.
Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
There is not black or white answer to the question above.
AC is not for everybody ..same for SWG ..WJ..AT...
It depends whats your priority.
Im at SWG..and we are loosing guys here going to AC ..including very senior one...ready to take a serious pay cut! There is a reason i guess..
The long term benefits are the key point in my opinion AC)...especially if you have family, kids..and not too old.(
Yes SWG offers a lot of days off...european deployment...layovers down south...but again this is not for.everybody...if you like it yes SWG is for you and if you don't mind to fly the 737 for the rest of your career down south and back then don't go to AC go to SWG.
One think is sure..for long term benefit.salary. AC is most probably the best in Canada..but in term of life style.. maybe not..
Again nothing is black or white.
AC is not for everybody ..same for SWG ..WJ..AT...
It depends whats your priority.
Im at SWG..and we are loosing guys here going to AC ..including very senior one...ready to take a serious pay cut! There is a reason i guess..
The long term benefits are the key point in my opinion AC)...especially if you have family, kids..and not too old.(
Yes SWG offers a lot of days off...european deployment...layovers down south...but again this is not for.everybody...if you like it yes SWG is for you and if you don't mind to fly the 737 for the rest of your career down south and back then don't go to AC go to SWG.
One think is sure..for long term benefit.salary. AC is most probably the best in Canada..but in term of life style.. maybe not..
Again nothing is black or white.
Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
I will answer from a completely detached position. It used to be the only big game in town, so prestige: national carrier and all that. Also, there really isn't much money to be made working as a pilot in Canada, so the carrot, of big airplane and big money, is obviously appealing. As you get older, things change, people stop and breathe a bit, and realise that what you thought, wasn't necessarily true. It is easy to go anywhere else after Air Canada if one doesn't like it, but pretty hard to go the other way, these times excepted. Nobody in my immediate peer group got there when I was at it regularly, and people outside aviation could never understand why. I think the short answer then is: because it isn't easy, they only take the best, and it is a good feeling to be wanted.
Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
Why?
Well from my perspective it's the "safest" airline job in Canada. I'm also not after the fastest way to a WB left seat and will likely ride up the lists on junior aircraft since lifestyle is more important to me than making $300k a year. I'll be happy to make $150k working 10 days a month for the rest of my life. I wish we got paid what the Americans do, but we don't. So I take what I can get.
I'm still 10x better off than virtually every single on of my peers who all have degrees and work 9-5 jobs for under 100k.
There were other options for lifestyle jobs, but at the end of the day I wanted a job I can more or less count on being there in 30 years.
Well from my perspective it's the "safest" airline job in Canada. I'm also not after the fastest way to a WB left seat and will likely ride up the lists on junior aircraft since lifestyle is more important to me than making $300k a year. I'll be happy to make $150k working 10 days a month for the rest of my life. I wish we got paid what the Americans do, but we don't. So I take what I can get.
I'm still 10x better off than virtually every single on of my peers who all have degrees and work 9-5 jobs for under 100k.
There were other options for lifestyle jobs, but at the end of the day I wanted a job I can more or less count on being there in 30 years.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
Safest airline job? Did you know that WestJet just got $5 billion infused into it?derateNO wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:51 pm Why?
Well from my perspective it's the "safest" airline job in Canada. I'm also not after the fastest way to a WB left seat and will likely ride up the lists on junior aircraft since lifestyle is more important to me than making $300k a year. I'll be happy to make $150k working 10 days a month for the rest of my life. I wish we got paid what the Americans do, but we don't. So I take what I can get.
I'm still 10x better off than virtually every single on of my peers who all have degrees and work 9-5 jobs for under 100k.
There were other options for lifestyle jobs, but at the end of the day I wanted a job I can more or less count on being there in 30 years.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?
Onex did not infuse 5 billion into Westjet. They purchased the shares for 5B. If history is any indicator this private equity firm will begin wringing all those dollars back out of the company and loading up the WJ balance sheet with the costs of purchase.