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Possibly returning to Canada

Post by Ray Darr » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:22 pm

Hi all.

I'm exploring returning home after a long run of it overseas. Looking especially for any employment rumours (or facts!) where an experienced management widebody captain with 15k hours, Master's, etc...might find something back home to aim towards, either in the private or public sector.

Settling back home on the west coast - if the conditions are right - would be nice.

Appreciate any constructive help on what's the latest.
PM if you wish.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by pelmet » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:44 pm

I remember KFC was looking for DC-10 captains last year. I wonder if anybody has an update on that job.
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Post by Ray Darr » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:45 am

Thanks, pelmet, for the reply.
Any others would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by FOD_Vacuum » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:14 am

Not sure if you are aware but for a DEC at, lets say swoop, flair or sky regional pay very low wages, around $70-90k and they will make you work like a dog. Think twice before making that move. And you will be at the bottom of the seniority ladder with all the 25 year olds who claim that they are well experienced at 1500 hours. Be prepared to chuckle a lil bit.

If I were you, I would do one of two things: keep your overseas high paying job until you are 60, then take all your money and buy a place somewhere on the west coast and retire with the rest of the money. You really can’t make great money in Canada.

Or, come back and get Vancouver base for an Asian carrier that allows you to commute out of YVR and fly wide bodies on a one month on one month off basis. Good luck.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by ZBBYLW » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:32 am

If I recall correctly that DC10 job was 110k a year, so not worth the time.

I agree as above. There are a few contract jobs that cab work you out of YVR. May be your best bet.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by Dragon2017 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:00 am

I did what you did a year ago. No regrets returning to Canada. However, after you return you'll quickly come to the realisation that aviation here is still as F*#@!d Up as when you left it. Your experience won't matter much as you will be viewed either too experienced or, many in the hiring process will throw your resume in the bin with envy and resentment. Most corporate companies won't touch you as they view Wide Body Airline Pilots as lazy princesses. There are of course DEC position with certain regional carriers, but the pay, working conditions, are completely sub standard. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by Hangry » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:15 am

Dragon2017 wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:00 am
many in the hiring process will throw your resume in the bin with envy and resentment.
Why would anyone envy you having to give up a wide body gig to move back here?
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by Inverted2 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:51 am

I heard Air Georgian is hiring direct entry captains. Might just be a rumour though. The pay and working conditions are second to none. :rolleyes:
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by Zaibatsu » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:08 pm

Hangry wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:15 am
Dragon2017 wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:00 am
many in the hiring process will throw your resume in the bin with envy and resentment.
Why would anyone envy you having to give up a wide body gig to move back here?
I think it’s more the smug superiority most expats seem to convey to those who stay in Canada with our pesos and our low pay and our long upgrade times and our draconian regulations and our high costs of living.

Of course there is far more to staying in Canada than just that, which is why I don’t envy any of them. There’s a awful lot of discontent that I can sense sneaking around their braggadocio about their huge wages.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by Hangry » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:41 pm

Zaibatsu wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:08 pm
Hangry wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:15 am
Dragon2017 wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:00 am
many in the hiring process will throw your resume in the bin with envy and resentment.
Why would anyone envy you having to give up a wide body gig to move back here?
I think it’s more the smug superiority most expats seem to convey to those who stay in Canada with our pesos and our low pay and our long upgrade times and our draconian regulations and our high costs of living.

Of course there is far more to staying in Canada than just that, which is why I don’t envy any of them. There’s a awful lot of discontent that I can sense sneaking around their braggadocio about their huge wages.
I guess. Like who would care if someone flies a wide body. Especially if you had to leave home to do it.

Congrats. You’ve accomplished something I hope I never have to do.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by Ray Darr » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:04 pm

Hi again, guys 'n gals.

Just to clarify for those needing clarification that in the original post I made, I don't recall doing any bragging about widebodies, salaries, or anything.
However, specifying what I have done helps narrow down what might be available, since most potential employers ask what type of experience one has. I'd merely mentioned what I have and had acquired over the years. Widebody, management experience, Master's, 15k, plus I was checking on what might be available now or soon in either the private or public sectors. So, no offence meant to anyone for stating the facts.

I'd still very much appreciate hearing from any and all on what is available before we decide to head home or not. Most I know in the industry are helpful, and that help is appreciated when looking out for one's family by merely asking what is happening back home.

Your personal messages are also greatly appreciated to the ones who wrote so-far, as are the posted ones.

I'd happily fly anything as long as the salary is fair. Sadly, most pay back home IS crud. We all wish that would change into something sustainable, even.
One can only hope.

Cheers.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by tsgas » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:22 pm

In the end it all comes down to personal choices.
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Post by FOD_Vacuum » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:13 am

Depends what you mean as a “fair salary”? Please elaborate what you consider a fair salary on the West Coast? If it all boils down to what you stated is important, then my post and statement stands. The salary is beyond sub-par in Canada and getting lower every year as we speak. Please don’t underestimate what you have abroad. Taxes are high in Canada, cost of living is through the roof, salaries are disgustingly low compared to even the third world country pilot wages, and you will be at the bottom of the seniority list. You WILL be living paycheque to paycheque unless you have some savings in the bank. It would help if you can say how old you are so that we can gauge how much time you have left before retirement. Some, if not many of us are trying to leave Canada so we can actually have a salary abroad and earn enough to pay off our debts from flight training, buy a house, pay for wedding and live a life without having to live pay cheque to paycheque.

You mentioned you want to move to the West Coast, and I don’t blame you. West Coast is beautiful and by far the most favourite place in Canada. Unfortunately, there are no Vancouver based jet jobs unless you look into the coorporate side of things, and even then, most DEC jobs based in YVR pay less than industry standard which is counter productive if you want to live in Vancouver as costs are insanely high. Either you know someone or you land a private 604 gig that very few people know about and you’ll be okay. If it is airlines or big jets you are after, your best bet is to apply at AC and hope for YVR base. Air Transat, Sunwing and Cargojet usually base their pilots further East. Good luck to you in whatever you decide.

As a side note, some high time expat widebody Captains came back to Canada and applied to pasco based in Vancouver. I can positively say that 30% buy out their bond and say “I’ve never worked this much for so little money” and have gone elsewhere. Some are still at pasco.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by munzil » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:19 am

Hangry wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:41 pm
Congrats. You’ve accomplished something I hope I never have to do.
Everyone is different. I know some that relish the adventure of living in other cultures and seeing the world and all its wonders over staying in the country that only by luck someone happened to be born in and being nothing but a dull dish rag their whole life.

But hey, as you say, what ever rocks your boat.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by Hangry » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:01 am

munzil wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:19 am
Hangry wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:41 pm
Congrats. You’ve accomplished something I hope I never have to do.
Everyone is different. I know some that relish the adventure of living in other cultures and seeing the world and all its wonders over staying in the country that only by luck someone happened to be born in and being nothing but a dull dish rag their whole life.

But hey, as you say, what ever rocks your boat.
Lol. Ok. :roll:
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by Boreas » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:16 am

Hangry wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:01 am
munzil wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:19 am
Hangry wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:41 pm
Congrats. You’ve accomplished something I hope I never have to do.
Everyone is different. I know some that relish the adventure of living in other cultures and seeing the world and all its wonders over staying in the country that only by luck someone happened to be born in and being nothing but a dull dish rag their whole life.

But hey, as you say, what ever rocks your boat.
Lol. Ok. :roll:
Ohhhhhh AvCanada. Never change!
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by eyebrow737 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:59 pm

Zaibatsu wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:08 pm

I think it’s more the smug superiority most expats seem to convey to those who stay in Canada with our pesos and our low pay and our long upgrade times and our draconian regulations and our high costs of living.
Of course there is far more to staying in Canada than just that, which is why I don’t envy any of them. There’s a awful lot of discontent that I can sense sneaking around their braggadocio about their huge wages.
You don't think you are projecting just a little?

To the OP, get used to this type of hostility when you get back. You are keen and eager to be back home and have nothing but good will. However the land is aplenty with people like Zaibatsu and Hangry who have nothing but animosity for anyone living overseas. I think they believe that canadians that have left only did so for big planes and money and that nothing in the world has anything to offer better than Canada. Small minds produce small results.

It can be a quite a challenge.
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Post by C.W.E. » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:26 pm

To the OP, get used to this type of hostility when you get back. You are keen and eager to be back home and have nothing but good will. However the land is aplenty with people like Zaibatsu and Hangry who have nothing but animosity for anyone living overseas
Zaibatsu and Hangry could you relate your experiences working and living in other countries, I am interested because I found many countries that I lived and worked in to be great places and I am so happy to have experienced them.

It would be interesting to know which countries you found to be so bad compared to Canada.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by pepsi » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:16 pm

Ray Darr wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:22 pm
Hi all.

I'm exploring returning home after a long run of it overseas. Looking especially for any employment rumours (or facts!) where an experienced management widebody captain with 15k hours, Master's, etc...might find something back home to aim towards, either in the private or public sector.

Settling back home on the west coast - if the conditions are right - would be nice.

Appreciate any constructive help on what's the latest.
PM if you wish.
Be careful, because if you want to live in Vanvouver area (or Toronto) with a pilot's earning the possiblity to have to live in a basement are not negligible.
Your life's standard could be changed a liitle bit...
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Post by Navajoe3 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:29 pm

Ray Darr wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:22 pm
Hi all.

I'm exploring returning home after a long run of it overseas. Looking especially for any employment rumours (or facts!) where an experienced management widebody captain with 15k hours, Master's, etc...might find something back home to aim towards, either in the private or public sector.

Settling back home on the west coast - if the conditions are right - would be nice.

Appreciate any constructive help on what's the latest.
PM if you wish.

+1. Similar time in the ME but looking for anything east of Toronto.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by CAL » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:22 am

Canada is a different country from when I left....
Thank goodness for its natural beauty
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Post by Ray Darr » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:14 pm

Thanks, everyone, for each of your continued replies.
Every bit of your help... helps... and not just for me but others in the same situation.
Keep 'em coming!
Cheers.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by 180 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:51 pm

I think you’d have to look at a move back to B.C as primarily a lifestyle decision. And remaining in a plane would be more for the love of the game (and some grocery, beer and gas money) rather than any sort of career progression.

Perhaps like the GM of a very high end hotel in Vancouver deciding to move back to the Gulf Islands to run a bed and breakfast back on his home island, surrounded by his friends, family, and the peace and quiet he missed in the city.

If you can move to where you really want to live, buy a home there for cash, stick a million bucks in the bank, and be happy flying a “little” plane for a fraction of the money, and basically remain a pilot for the love of the game while living the life you want to live, where you want to live it, then you might be very happy coming home.

The dream of any sort of lateral move coming home as a pilot is probably unrealistic. A glimmer of hope might be in a management position.

I believe Transport Canada is looking for civil aviation safety inspectors, flight operations, with the possibility of being based out of Vancouver.
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Re: Possibly returning to Canada

Post by dumbbell daddy » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:04 am

WestJet, AC are hiring. Transat and SWG as well. Possibly quick upgrades at all 3 (besides WestJet). You could probably get a DEC gig at Flair and work your ass off for low pay. There's been a few Challenger ads lately. Most probably pay at least $130K or more. TC is hiring POI's. 100K + to start, pension, benefits, probably working 3 days a week.

Congrats on your success overseas and your decision to come home. It sounds like you were pretty successful judging by your experience and education. I hope you piss off some of the posters here and take advantage of everything Canada has to offer, while keeping your nest egg as tax efficient (or hidden overseas) as possible.

PS. Nothing pisses off some of these idiots more then when you say you're just flying for beer money now or just something to do....while they're slugging away in this highly taxed country.

All the best and welcome back.
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