Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:38 pm
What is a "" Air France Bonin "" ?... anyway.. rant over... Seems like the industry is breeding more Air France Bonins day by day.... sighhh.
What is a "" Air France Bonin "" ?... anyway.. rant over... Seems like the industry is breeding more Air France Bonins day by day.... sighhh.
Bonin is the pilot that got blamed for the crash of AF447, unable to recover from a stall at cruising altitude. He still had 3000 hours under his belt...
Hi Smooth,
maybe i'm just old fashioned and believe in a solid reference.
The majors dont give a rat’s patutti about bond jumping, or screwing your previous employer.
jwaran90 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:35 amHi Smooth,
Thanks for the information. Can you give a bit of colour regarding how you built those hours and your background (aviation college/university)? Also did you have any internal recommendations or was it a full OTS/blind application to the HR Team.
Cheers
JW
And THAT is the #1 problem with aviation today.
Way over qualified.igorcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.
What do you mean, they don't honour the bond? Do they not pay the agreed upon amount? If they sign a 2 year bond, leave after 6 month and pay out the agreed upon amount, they are honouring the bond. The advantage of a bond, from a pilot's perspective, is that you can leave without any guilt and your employer shouldn't be pissed off about it.jt8d wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:33 pm Ok Vermont... you are so out to lunch it's not even funny... I'm calling out low time pilots who can't honour a measly 1 or 2 year bond... but they sure were pumped to get in that plane and start logging hours they don't have to pay for anymore a few months earlier weren't they?Just a tip... finish your PPL before you start blabbering on here... you don't know sh!t mate... a PPL calling out commercial aviation in Canada? I am in full agreeance that Poop's 737 captain wage is garbage. But that had nothing to do with my statement you quoted. Piss off with YOUR know nothing attitude
That's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 am
Non-705 operations NEED pilots, pilots NEED pre-705 experience and 705 operations NEED pilots with pre-705 experience. Until something is done about the current seniority system that problem won't go away, that is unless legislators force the issue which in turn probably won't happen until the next major air disaster.
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This is true, I've got a friend training for an airline in Germany right now, his time is about 300. He's an intelligent, capable guy and I'm sure will have no problem in the aircraft.That's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.
Of course he could.
Depends on how the job was advertised as well. If the operator misrepresents the job, which used to be fairly common in certain medevac ops, I don't blame people for leaving.jt8d wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:48 pm I'm more referring to the 1 year bonds... pilots jumping ship at 6-9 months and bailing on the bond cuz they know company won'tgo after them for a few thousand in court. Seen it happen many times over... Even if you leave after 3 months and pay the remaining 9 months, it's still a big wtf to the employer... 704/705 operators aren't FTUs... put in that year on the line and get a solid reference for crying out loud... what's a year?
To me, it's like playing Jenga.digits_ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:27 amThat's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 am
Non-705 operations NEED pilots, pilots NEED pre-705 experience and 705 operations NEED pilots with pre-705 experience. Until something is done about the current seniority system that problem won't go away, that is unless legislators force the issue which in turn probably won't happen until the next major air disaster.
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Except you have been playing jenga for 35 years and the tower is still standing.Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:33 pmTo me, it's like playing Jenga.digits_ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:27 amThat's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 am
Non-705 operations NEED pilots, pilots NEED pre-705 experience and 705 operations NEED pilots with pre-705 experience. Until something is done about the current seniority system that problem won't go away, that is unless legislators force the issue which in turn probably won't happen until the next major air disaster.
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"Look!! I keep removing blocks and the tower is not falling". That's what I'm hearing you say.
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OOF, That much time and no call?igorcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.
Yep. I always hear they don't have FO's with enough experience to be promoted so I think it would be worth a try, just give me a SIM eval to see how it goes. But anyway, it is what it is. I can't sit and cry. Going for 703 and will try again in 1 year.shawnthesheep wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:16 pmOOF, That much time and no call?igorcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.
How long you play is irrelevant, all Jenga games end the same way.