jwaran90 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:35 am

smooth wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:14 pm I applied Porter and Encore and Jazz right at 1000 hours, i got offer for Encore and Porter. Never got a answer from Jazz, i've heard Jazz is looking for more multi engine which i didn't have.

Hi Smooth,

Thanks for the information. Can you give a bit of colour regarding how you built those hours and your background (aviation college/university)? Also did you have any internal recommendations or was it a full OTS/blind application to the HR Team.

Cheers
JW

C-GGGQ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:00 am The real problem is, as so many have stated before, that at the 705 level seniority is life. Low timers would be dumb not to jump ship (especially if at one of the many dead end 703 jobs) to get that seniority number as early as possible.

igorcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.

jt8d wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:33 pm Ok Vermont... you are so out to lunch it's not even funny... I'm calling out low time pilots who can't honour a measly 1 or 2 year bond... but they sure were pumped to get in that plane and start logging hours they don't have to pay for anymore a few months earlier weren't they?Just a tip... finish your PPL before you start blabbering on here... you don't know sh!t mate... a PPL calling out commercial aviation in Canada? I am in full agreeance that Poop's 737 captain wage is garbage. But that had nothing to do with my statement you quoted. Piss off with YOUR know nothing attitude

Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 am
Non-705 operations NEED pilots, pilots NEED pre-705 experience and 705 operations NEED pilots with pre-705 experience. Until something is done about the current seniority system that problem won't go away, that is unless legislators force the issue which in turn probably won't happen until the next major air disaster.

58

That's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.

ehv8oar wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:31 am The big argument for me is could such a relatively inexperienced guy take over if the Captain bit the dust after takeoff. To be honest though what's harder, landing a highly automated, well maintained, A320 or a metroliner with no autopilot.

jt8d wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:48 pm I'm more referring to the 1 year bonds... pilots jumping ship at 6-9 months and bailing on the bond cuz they know company won'tgo after them for a few thousand in court. Seen it happen many times over... Even if you leave after 3 months and pay the remaining 9 months, it's still a big wtf to the employer... 704/705 operators aren't FTUs... put in that year on the line and get a solid reference for crying out loud... what's a year?

digits_ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:27 am

Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 am
Non-705 operations NEED pilots, pilots NEED pre-705 experience and 705 operations NEED pilots with pre-705 experience. Until something is done about the current seniority system that problem won't go away, that is unless legislators force the issue which in turn probably won't happen until the next major air disaster.

58

That's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.

Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:33 pm

digits_ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:27 am

Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 am
Non-705 operations NEED pilots, pilots NEED pre-705 experience and 705 operations NEED pilots with pre-705 experience. Until something is done about the current seniority system that problem won't go away, that is unless legislators force the issue which in turn probably won't happen until the next major air disaster.

58

That's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.

To me, it's like playing Jenga.

"Look!! I keep removing blocks and the tower is not falling". That's what I'm hearing you say.

58

igorcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.

shawnthesheep wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:16 pm

igorcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.

OOF, That much time and no call?

digits_ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:55 pm

Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:33 pm

digits_ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:27 am

That's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.

To me, it's like playing Jenga.

"Look!! I keep removing blocks and the tower is not falling". That's what I'm hearing you say.

58

Except you have been playing jenga for 35 years and the tower is still standing.

Depends on how the job was advertised as well. If the operator misrepresents the job, which used to be fairly common in certain medevac ops, I don't blame people for leaving.

A bond usually has a reason. That reason is seldom advertised. Great companies don't need bonds.

igorcanuck wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm

shawnthesheep wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:16 pm

igorcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.

OOF, That much time and no call?

Yep. I always hear they don't have FO's with enough experience to be promoted so I think it would be worth a try, just give me a SIM eval to see how it goes. But anyway, it is what it is. I can't sit and cry. Going for 703 and will try again in 1 year.