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Re: Swoop ?

Post by FlyingMonkey » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:56 am

simplicity wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm
You're not going to get any love here. Go get a job at an airline that isn't degrading our industry.
Comments like this show how self righteous and hypocritical pilots can be. You are going to judge someone for putting food on the table for themselves or their family? You don’t know the story or circumstance of the people that work their.

What have you done to better the conditions in this industry? What jobs have you passed up out of principle? Probably none just like everyone else who points their finger at someone who is simply taking an opportunity that is better than the current one they are in.

Let me ask you this. If you were lets say working for Air Georgian and flying an RJ making 68k a year in the left seat and you were PFO’d from AC. Swoop offers you 100k to fly a 37 for a company backed by a much larger successful airline (WJ), you wouldn’t take it out of principal?
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by Inverted2 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:10 pm

Both companies - GGN and Swoop are degrading to our industry. At least GGN won’t be around much longer (hopefully). Swoop is doing WJ pilots work for 1/2 the pay. Similar to how GGN and Skyregional undercut the Jazz pilots.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:19 am

And how the Jazz pilots flew for less than the Skyservice pilots...everyone is to blame unfortunately
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by goingnowherefast » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:58 pm

I almost got fired for asking for a raise in 2012.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by flyinhigh » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:00 pm

Holy Fack. It’s called STATUS pay. Go learn about it. It’s been 8 years get over it.
JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:19 am
And how the Jazz pilots flew for less than the Skyservice pilots...everyone is to blame unfortunately
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:34 pm

Geez I’m sorry. Maybe I was wrong but I thought the 757 pilots were making less than the Skyservice pilots they undercut?
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by losercruiser » Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:04 pm

JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:34 pm
Geez I’m sorry. Maybe I was wrong but I thought the 757 pilots were making less than the Skyservice pilots they undercut?
The same equivalent pay of what a Sky service 757 pilot made was injected into the Jazz contract, but spread over all types and everyone got a raise. It's not like it cost any less to put the planes at Jazz.

Now that the 757 long gone.. the pay is actually still there. One of the reasons Jazz has the highest paid dash8 and Q pilots out there. If you factor the top scale which is how that works....
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by TSAM » Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:48 pm

losercruiser wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:04 pm
JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:34 pm
Geez I’m sorry. Maybe I was wrong but I thought the 757 pilots were making less than the Skyservice pilots they undercut?
The same equivalent pay of what a Sky service 757 pilot made was injected into the Jazz contract, but spread over all types and everyone got a raise. It's not like it cost any less to put the planes at Jazz.

Now that the 757 long gone.. the pay is actually still there. One of the reasons Jazz has the highest paid dash8 and Q pilots out there. If you factor the top scale which is how that works....
I'm pretty sure there are better paid Q drivers in AUS and US.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by losercruiser » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:07 pm

TSAM wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:48 pm
losercruiser wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:04 pm
JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:34 pm
Geez I’m sorry. Maybe I was wrong but I thought the 757 pilots were making less than the Skyservice pilots they undercut?
The same equivalent pay of what a Sky service 757 pilot made was injected into the Jazz contract, but spread over all types and everyone got a raise. It's not like it cost any less to put the planes at Jazz.

Now that the 757 long gone.. the pay is actually still there. One of the reasons Jazz has the highest paid dash8 and Q pilots out there. If you factor the top scale which is how that works....
I'm pretty sure there are better paid Q drivers in AUS and US.
Aus yes, USA... where? Horizon? They top out at $120/hr. Jazz tops out at $133. At the end of the new contract with the %2 compounding and the extra step added it will be something like $185/hr. You can't compare with exchange rates. Much of everything you buy here costs similar dollar for dollar in the states.

Australia is not really a fair example, as you can trace back much of their world leading pay rates to an illegal strike in 1989.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:49 pm

You can't compare with exchange rates. Much of everything you buy here costs similar dollar for dollar in the states.
^ This is pure fantasy, as is the comment that Jazz has the highest paid Dash 8 pilots
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