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Re: Companies that do not require Training bonds

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Gorgons wrote:This thread has been pretty quite for sometime, he's a new twist.

Air Bravo, currently advertising for Captains. I was told they are firing FO's that are refusing to take offers of left seat positions, company wants a 10K bond signed and paid upfront.
Yea I heard the same but was hesitant to believe that. Apparently the company is not doing well financially which might be part of the reason for requesting cash upfront. Problem is that you might never see that money again if the company goes under before your bond expires.
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Operating two aircraft, one in Barrie and one in Thunder Bay. Only one medic in each location and they need Captains? Theres a message in there somewhere.
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Re: Companies that do not require Training bonds

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Alkan Air now requires a 12 month training agreement. No money changes hands unless you leave early.
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I know this may come as a shock to many people but Voyageur Airways no longer requires a bond.
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Re: Companies that do not require Training bonds

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chu me wrote: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:18 pm Instead of always bashing companies that require pilots to pay or sign a training bond, I thought we could do a more positive thread about companies that don't require bonds. Also if you have had positive experiences with companies that treat their pilots well.

I'll start with two 1). Commercial Aviation based in Hearst, Ont. as far as I know, have never charged a bond, also good A/C that are well maintained.
2). Clearwater Aviation based in La Loche , SK. great company with good A/C ,does not require bonds.

I would encourage pilots to apply to these companies as you would have a good experience.
If the young pilots had an alternative to the sh#tty companies out there, they might not apply to the crappy ones. Maybe if the supply of pilots starts to dry up for these sh@tty companies they will change their policies. If anyone else has a company please post it here.

I have edited this post on Sept 17/08 in order to add the list to the first post, so people do not have to go looking for it. I will continue to read this thread in order to add to the list.

Aries Aviation
Pro-Flight Ltd
Great River Air
Air Saguenay
Arctic Sunwest
Summit Air
Canadian North
Fugro
Gilliam Air
Air Georgian
Air Labrador,
Provincial Airlines
Strait Air
Grenfell Health Corporation
Skyjet
Exactair ( we are not sure about this one, so if someone out there knows for sure, PM or post please)
Air North
Fort Francis Air
First Air
Clearwater Aviation
Commercial Aviation
Walsten Air
MNR
Airborne energy
Alberta Central Airways
Qjets
Villers Air Service. Ft Nelson BC
Wolverine Air. Ft Simpson NWT
Simpson Air. Ft Simpson NWT
Alkan Air. Whitehorse YK
Perimeter Aviation, Manitoba (2 years on the ramp)
North Cariboo Air, BC+AB (12,500 below no bond)
CargoJet
Air Canada
WestJet
Jazz
CMA (except Do328)
Kelowna Flight Craft
Air Spray
ConAir
Borek
Calm Air (working Bond)
Transwest Air
Buffalo Air
Air Tindi
Integra Air Inc.
Pacific Sky Aviation
Nor-Alta Aviation
Sander Geophysics
Regional 1
Transat
Pro-Flight Ltd

I'm sure there are more out there, it doesn't matter how big or how small the company is,( Clearwater only has one aircraft) nor what type of aircraft they fly. For all you young guys or maybe just pilots looking for a change here is where you should send your resumes. Please keep the posts coming and keep this list growing. Good luck and safe flying.

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Wow... and neither does Integra or R1!

It’s almost like things change in 12 years!
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Any update to this regarding the companies that don't require the training bonds in Canada in 2021?
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martinlam wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:30 am Any update to this regarding the companies that don't require the training bonds in Canada in 2021?
Probably more than less do these days
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martinlam wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:30 am Any update to this regarding the companies that don't require the training bonds in Canada in 2021?
I’d like to see this too
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PitchLink wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:47 am
martinlam wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:30 am Any update to this regarding the companies that don't require the training bonds in Canada in 2021?
I’d like to see this too
I don't think anything has changed, in fact, probably got worse with airline guys returning to other sectors.
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schnitzel2k3 wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:31 am
PitchLink wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:47 am
martinlam wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:30 am Any update to this regarding the companies that don't require the training bonds in Canada in 2021?
I’d like to see this too
I don't think anything has changed, in fact, probably got worse with airline guys returning to other sectors.
Probably correct, supply and demand dictates bonds. Why invest in someone when there’s several previously endorsed candidates out there
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Does anyone know if Training Bonds are tax deductible?
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flyingfool wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:54 am Does anyone know if Training Bonds are tax deductible?
For the company that has taken ownership of you (your master). :prayer:
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JerryRig wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:32 pm
flyingfool wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:54 am Does anyone know if Training Bonds are tax deductible?
For the company that has taken ownership of you (your master). :prayer:
Precisely
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flyingfool wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:54 am Does anyone know if Training Bonds are tax deductible?
From what I know they are, and I've heard people getting over 20% of it back.

Which is baloney since your operator wrote off your training before you even showed up and is currently sipping mai tais in the carribean courtesy of your bond money.
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flyingfool wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:54 am Does anyone know if Training Bonds are tax deductible?
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if you had to pay your bond out, it is tax deductible... Consulting a tax lawyer or accountant is obviously the way to go about it in all fairness...

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency ... costs.html
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vanislepilot wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:32 am
flyingfool wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:54 am Does anyone know if Training Bonds are tax deductible?
From what I know they are, and I've heard people getting over 20% of it back.

Which is baloney since your operator wrote off your training before you even showed up and is currently sipping mai tais in the carribean courtesy of your bond money.
I'm pretty sure the money you pay them for your bond is taxable again, to offset the write offs from the training.

Writing off costs is not a magic spell to give you unlimited money. They still pay for the training. The money still needs to be earned and paid. It only affects the taxes they pay.
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digits_ wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:16 am
vanislepilot wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:32 am
flyingfool wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:54 am Does anyone know if Training Bonds are tax deductible?
From what I know they are, and I've heard people getting over 20% of it back.

Which is baloney since your operator wrote off your training before you even showed up and is currently sipping mai tais in the carribean courtesy of your bond money.
I'm pretty sure the money you pay them for your bond is taxable again, to offset the write offs from the training.

Writing off costs is not a magic spell to give you unlimited money. They still pay for the training. The money still needs to be earned and paid. It only affects the taxes they pay.
Are we talking what’s paid off in the bond?
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PitchLink wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:09 am
digits_ wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:16 am
vanislepilot wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:32 am

From what I know they are, and I've heard people getting over 20% of it back.

Which is baloney since your operator wrote off your training before you even showed up and is currently sipping mai tais in the carribean courtesy of your bond money.
I'm pretty sure the money you pay them for your bond is taxable again, to offset the write offs from the training.

Writing off costs is not a magic spell to give you unlimited money. They still pay for the training. The money still needs to be earned and paid. It only affects the taxes they pay.
Are we talking what’s paid off in the bond?
It’s deductible but by who is up to how the bond is paid
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Everywhere I look there’s bond requirements for both ames and pilots. I don’t see any jobs out there where their policies allow for un bonded training…
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