How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#26 Post by kinouille » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:05 am

pacman007 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:57 am
Well my guess is that all the encore pilots will keep there YOS and get the pay that goes along with it.
Hi Pacman,
I don't know where you got the info that Encore pilots get YOS but it is wrong. The only thing Encore pilots have (for now) is the one list. Which only means that when they'll move to mainline (or Swoop), they will keep their DOH seniority. As of now, if an Encore pilot go to mainline, he/she will start at the year 1 pay rate and start from there.
Everything from the WJ/Swoop and Encore contract is under negotiations and very little have been revealed (for obvious reason). Anything coming out in forums are only rumors (often false).

I hope that will clarify a few things.
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#27 Post by 180 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:07 am

He said “my guess is”, he isn’t claiming anything Kinnouille, he’s just speculating.

Hopefully it won’t be long before everyone knows the final score.
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#28 Post by co-joe » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:37 pm

jjj wrote:
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Well, at least we know what happened to 748HO.
Good one! Was trying to remember that handle.

Missed you 748.

JJJ
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:lol: Sort of miss him, welcome back man.
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#29 Post by CAL » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:01 pm

far removed from this but curious all the same....
why wouldnt the company just agree and setup 1 list from the start?
doesnt that make the most sense anyway?
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#30 Post by FL007 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:26 pm

CAL wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:01 pm
far removed from this but curious all the same....
why wouldnt the company just agree and setup 1 list from the start?
doesnt that make the most sense anyway?
Before when it wasn't unionized the company could make under the table deals and hire anyone for any position for any reason, the one list is just a carrot.

Unless you're in a unionized environment where there are repercussions to hiring for a position where there are already qualified people internally apply, however because you don't want to train their replacement you hire outside.

A one list doesn't make the most sense for the company if there is so much flow that WJ can't take all the pilots from encore (they agreed to close to 100% intake, which wasn't the case) because there wasn't enough experience or qualified people to fly for encore. It makes sense as a carrot to entice qualified people to come to encore, but without a union it wasn't enforced, so they were hiring OTS hires for WJ positions, etc.
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#31 Post by Rezy » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:44 pm

CAL wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:01 pm
far removed from this but curious all the same....
why wouldnt the company just agree and setup 1 list from the start?
doesnt that make the most sense anyway?
The one list was negotiated under the WJPA when the attempt was to make all pilots the same. WestJet Pilots flying Encore airplanes was what the WJPA was hoping to achieve - they did not. So the compromise was “one list” but separate companies. The scope for WestJet pilots was a LOU that stated if any layoffs occurred at WestJet they would bump Encore pilots off the list, so that way they were protected.
The financial burden of pure one list and all new hires going into encore would be hefty when retirements start to kick in from a training perspective.
The percentage of flow has always been predicated on Encores ability to operate while flowing to WestJet. This is about to become extremely difficult with such low experience coming into Encore, which I don’t believe anyone predicted as coming this soon 3-4 years ago.
Now that both Encore and WestJet are in negotiations it remains to be seen what the one list will look like once all negotiations are complete.
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#32 Post by mmm..bacon » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:27 pm

Rezy wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:44 pm
flowing to WestJet. This is about to become extremely difficult with such low experience coming into Encore, which I don’t believe anyone predicted as coming this soon 3-4 years ago.
Well if they paid more, then perhaps more people might be pried loose from better-paying 703/4 jobs and raise the experience level a little...
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#33 Post by CAL » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:52 am

what a mess you guys have got yourselves into.......
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#34 Post by sstaurus » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:53 am

I think they would rather park a quarter of the planes before that happens.
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#35 Post by Mooseontheloose » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:31 am

HEEEYYYYY FELLAS!!! HOWS LIFE PICKING UP TRASH ON THE DASH?!?!

JUST WANTED TO STOP BY AND SAY THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK!!! I HEAR THIS YEAR'S PROFIT SHARE IS GONNA BE A BIG ONE!! BLOW THE ROOF OFF!!! MAKE PICKING UP ALL THAT WHET KLEENEX SEEM LIKE A REAL GOOD IDEA!!!

HEYAAAA!!

I CAUGHT WIND OF THAT NEW WJA RESERVE SYSTEM!!! YOU MUST BE SO EXCITED!!!! 18 DAYS A MONTH IN YYZ!!!!! +++PLUS+++ A PAYCUT!!! NO CHANCE FOR OVERTIME!!! $1500 EVERY TWO WEEKS!!! WELCOME TO THE BIG SHOW!!! AREN'T YOU GLAD YOU WORKED YOUR ASS OFF ALL THOSE YEARS!!!! SURE HOPE YOU SAVED YOUR OPA CHECKS AND PICKED UP ENOUGH POCKET CHANGE BETWEEN THE SEATS SO YOU CAN SHELL OUT FOR THAT FANCY CRASH PAD!!! YEAAAAAAA!!! NOTHING SAYS "I'M A JET PILOT" LIKE HOT BUNKING IN SOME DUMP!!!

WHEELS ABOUT TO FALL OFF AT ENCORE! UNCLE EDDIE HAS TO TURN THE FLOW DOWN!!! WHAT A PARTY POOPER! SO MANY FELLAS "JUST ABOUT TO FLOW" HAHAHA!!! GONNA TAKE ENCORE PILOTS YEAAAAAAAARS TO REACH VALHALLA!!! IN THE MEAN TIME THEY'RE HIRING NAVAJO COJOES TO FILL YOUR JET SEATS!!!! HOW ABOUT THEM SWOOP PILOTS?!!!! THEY STILL AROUND PLUGGING UP THE SYSTEM LIKE A STINKY TURD?!!!! THEY ALL GET YEARS OF SERVICE FROM DAY ONE!!! FANCY THAT!!!!! WHAT DO YOU GET?! JACK SHIT!!!!! QUIT YOUR BITCHIN GET BACK THERE AND CLEAAAAAN UP!!!!!

YEAAAHHH MENN!!! JUST TELLING IT AS I SEE IT!!! ENCORE PILOTS GETTING THE SHAFT!!! YESSIR!! BUT THERE'S HOPE OUT THERE MEN!!! LOTS OF CUSHY SEATS AND SWEET DEALS FOR ANYONE MAN ENOUGH TO MAKE A MOVE!!! DON'T BE A WET SOCK!!! GET OUT THERE AND LEAVE THE RESTOF'EM BEHIND!!
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#36 Post by Kaykay » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:15 pm

Okay seriously, who other than 12 year olds actually posts in all caps?
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#37 Post by FL007 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:35 am

Kaykay wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:15 pm
Okay seriously, who other than 12 year olds actually posts in all caps?
More of a novelty account but I find him funny, and accurate.
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#38 Post by JBI » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:11 pm

Kaykay wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:15 pm
Okay seriously, who other than 12 year olds actually posts in all caps?
The US President
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Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

#39 Post by Liftdump » Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:41 am

748ho is that you? Welcome back
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