China_CAAC_Exam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:30 pmrezy: The Interim Order did change the statutory freeze at WJE. You just are not aware of it yet. There is a WPSL in existence now, that no one, apart from a few individuals have seen. This document does not have existing Encore pilots on it. It only has WJ and Swoop pilots on it. When Encore pilots resign at Encore and are hired at WJ, they will take their place, as Kaplan ordered (and which certainly is in agreement with Section 22 Seniority in the soon to be released CBA), at the bottom of the WPSL.Rezy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:15 am The interim order changed the statutory freeze....that’s why it’s an interim order. The interim order has not changed the one list or flow, as you have suggested. Otherwise, it would already be changed...because it’s an interim order.
The flow agreement is also in the WJE agreement, which is under statutory freeze and must be honoured by the company, regardless of what Kaplan says or does, as he has no authority (currently) over the WJE work rules. He could do what he did with Swoop and make Encore common employer, then he could rule on the Encore work agreement...but as of today he has no authority to do so. So flow will stay after the CBA.
Seniority at WJ being honored by WJE DOH is currently being accomplished through a LOU of which you are already aware.
Flow and seniority are not mutually exclusive to one another (I know your aware of this, but for others reading). It’s in everyone’s interest to have seniority sorted out before the final arbitration award in late December and it seems as though ALPA and the company are currently hard at work getting that mutually beneficial agreement on paper.
Encore pilots will continue to flow to WJ. WJ is capable of honouring that commitment and will continue to do so. What WJ is not capable of doing is placing an Encore pilot at any other place on the WPSL besides the BOTL because of the CBA soon to be fully in place between WJ and ALPA and gives contractual seniority rights, including placement on the WPSL, to WJ pilots and not to anyone from outside of the bargaining unit.
rezy, you said this:
"It’s in everyone’s interest to have seniority sorted out before the final arbitration award in late December and it seems as though ALPA and the company are currently hard at work getting that mutually beneficial agreement on paper."
Seniority is already "sorted out". It was sorted out in the May-June timeframe. As the NC pointed out in its May 8 update, the "finalized language" had been reached regarding seniority. Further, Kaplan's June order stated that both ALPA and WJ had stressed the urgency of seniority with respect to Swoop pilots. There is no way seniority was not already dealt with when Kaplan issued his order. He definitely would not have let the parties backtrack on agreed items when there are so many pressing and difficult areas left to adjudicate.
There is no pressing need for WJ to deal with Encore seniority. The Encore pilots chose a bargaining agent to represent them. In due time, the contractual items will be adressed, including the form a flowthrough program to WJ will take. For the time being, the WJ MEC's job is to negotiate the best possible deal for WJ pilots, not Encore pilots. At some point in the future, with the involvement of the three parties, I am sure that WJ and ALPA can address hiring and retention issues at Encore, which is why the WPDL was created in the first place.
When looking for causation of the collapse of the WPDL and one list policy, the only place one needs to look is to the pilots who elected a group to represent them whose policies prohibited a one list. In fact the only group whose policies prohibited a one list.
John Swallow
President
One List Pilot Association (OLPA)
"OLPA: We don't just say unity, we do unity!"
Really John. Then why is there a pilot list on the EFB published Aug 24 2018 (after the Kaplan interim award) that has WJ and WJE pilots on it (oh, and I don't see any OTS Swoop on there, wonder why?There is a WPSL in existence now, that no one, apart from a few individuals have seen. This document does not have existing Encore pilots on it. It only has WJ and Swoop pilots on it
Have you looked at any Canadian ALPA contracts, or any ALPA contracts for that matter? Go find Jazz and read section 4 (not 22, btw) Seniority to see what it deals with. Then go look at Transat's CBA (coincidentally, it's section 4 as well...) I'm sure you can find these on the interwebs (it was easy for me, and surely you are intellectually superior), or find a friend who works there to send you a copy (oh, wait, I just realized what I said, lol .Seniority is already "sorted out". It was sorted out in the May-June timeframe. As the NC pointed out in its May 8 update, the "finalized language" had been reached regarding seniority.
Based on the content of other alpa contracts Seniority sections, it would appear that the language that has been "sorted out" deals with stuff like (paraphrasing) "only pilots on the list fly the aircraft" and "inactive pilots retain their seniority subject to blahblah" and "when you are fired or quit or retire, you lose seniority standing" etc.
Seriously dude. This is basic stuff every alpa pilot should know. Oh, wait, I did it again.