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Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by kc1337 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:57 pm

Hi All,

I'll be starting my groundschool with Encore in January in YYC. Looking for a place to stay for 6 weeks for the training. Also can anyone give me some insights on how crash pads work?

please send me an e-mail at kennethcho1030@gmail.com
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by FOD_Vacuum » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:32 am

Are you saying that Encore does not pay for accommodations during your six week training session??? wtf-How much cheaper do they get? I'm utterly disgusted by the industry in Canada at this point...Paid accommodation should be a basic part of ones initial course.
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Post by TeePeeCreeper » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:16 am

FOD_Vacuum wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:32 am
Are you saying that Encore does not pay for accommodations during your six week training session??? wtf-How much cheaper do they get? I'm utterly disgusted by the industry in Canada at this point...Paid accommodation should be a basic part of ones initial course.
I agree.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by goingnowherefast » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:04 am

Tell them you can't afford a hotel for 6 weeks and will have to decline the job.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by FL007 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:50 am

Are you based in yyz? Or are you a commuter based in yyc?
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by FL410AV8R » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:09 am

If he is hired into YYC and the training is in YYC then no accommodations are provided

If he is hired into YYZ and training is in YYC the accommodations should be provided.

This is pretty much standard across the industry.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by short bus » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:33 am

No. It isn't.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by HansDietrich » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:35 am

FL410AV8R wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:09 am
If he is hired into YYC and the training is in YYC then no accommodations are provided

If he is hired into YYZ and training is in YYC the accommodations should be provided.

This is pretty much standard across the industry.
No it's not. Jazz paid for all my accommodation during my initial training.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by Yycjetdriver » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:37 am

FL410AV8R wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:09 am

This is pretty much standard across the industry.
False, Jazz for example your permanent address could literally be next to the training center and they’ll still offer you a hotel for your entire training. I know of a new hire (yyz based) who even asked for just weekends accommodations for a quieter place while the kids weren’t in school, the training coordinator had no problem with this. I’d assume Air Canada is the same.
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Post by yvrpilot82 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:44 pm

No accommodation provided if you're hired for YYC. Food/refreshments during groundschool also not provided unlike at other airlines.

AC and Jazz both cover hotel costs for initial, regardless of base. They realize it's an incredibly busy and stressful 6 weeks, and they wisely choose to cover a hotel so you can concentrate on your training instead of stressing about a 2 hour commute into YYZ each day.

WJ has and always will do things as cheaply as possible with cost-saving more important than quality of training. I'm surprised people on here are shocked by this.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by fish4life » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:54 pm

I think one difference is at WJ companies you know where you are based before you accept the job, at AC / Jazz you find out what your base is and what you are flying after you start your course.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by Donald » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:51 pm

After going through the interview process at an airline, and getting offered a groundschool that starts in 2-4 weeks, it only makes sense that the airline should cover accommodation cost for the training period.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by skybaron » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:12 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:04 am
Tell them you can't afford a hotel for 6 weeks and will have to decline the job.
:lol: :lol:

Oh man, I don’t know how WJ is still able to attract pilots.

This company is getting worse by the hour.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by lownslow » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:43 pm

Donald wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:51 pm
it only makes sense that the airline should cover accommodation cost for the training period.
It’s amazing that one of our two flag-waving national carriers lags behind so many 703’s.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by goleafsgo » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:09 pm

fish4life wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:54 pm
I think one difference is at WJ companies you know where you are based before you accept the job, at AC / Jazz you find out what your base is and what you are flying after you start your course.
What about the other airlines where you know your base when you accept the job? Sunwing, Georgian rj? Possibly sky regional? What an embarrassment wj/encore is not providing accommodations for initial training
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by FL410AV8R » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:09 pm

I stand corrected.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by Liftdump » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:14 pm

Welcome to the big league.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by digits_ » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:17 pm

That's new. Why would you need accomodations if the training happens at your base, when you know in advance for which base you are hired? :smt017

There's plenty of reasons to complain about Westjet if you wish to do so, but this doesn't seem fair or logical to me. Then again, when has logic ever stopped a lynch mob.

Carry on!
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by C-GGGQ » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:29 pm

Just because it's your base doesn't mean you live there.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by digits_ » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:03 pm

C-GGGQ wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:29 pm
Just because it's your base doesn't mean you live there.
True, but can you blame your employer for that? The pilot is still responsible to report on time for duty well rested, so that could mean getting a crashpad. Why would that be different for training? Of course a hotel would be nice in that case, but I still can't see why that would be Westjet's problem. You accepted the job with a pre assigned base. Which, as mentioned above, is a pretty big difference between Westjet and Jazz etc.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by ant_321 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:57 pm

Sunwing provided me a hotel and rental car in YYZ when that was my base. An airline can’t expect you to pack up and move your life across the country with a couple weeks notice. The hotel and car came in handy for apartment hunting in yyz.
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by digits_ » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:31 pm

Devil's advocate here: don't they ask you "when can you start"? Doesn't that imply you should have your living situation figured out by then?
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by Yycjetdriver » Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:26 am

On a positive note. At least you didn’t even have to wait for day 1 of employment to start to see your new employers shitty ways...... 👍
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by flyinhigh » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:53 am

Unless it has changed. At Sky you are on the hook for accommodations in YYZ if the job offer is outside of 3 weeks (I think, might be 1 month). If it is inside this time frame they will than supply the accommodations.
goleafsgo wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:09 pm
What about the other airlines where you know your base when you accept the job? Sunwing, Georgian rj? Possibly sky regional? What an embarrassment wj/encore is not providing accommodations for initial training
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Re: Seeking accomodation for groundschool.

Post by C-GGGQ » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:40 am

digits_ wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:03 pm
C-GGGQ wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:29 pm
Just because it's your base doesn't mean you live there.
True, but can you blame your employer for that? The pilot is still responsible to report on time for duty well rested, so that could mean getting a crashpad. Why would that be different for training? Of course a hotel would be nice in that case, but I still can't see why that would be Westjet's problem. You accepted the job with a pre assigned base. Which, as mentioned above, is a pretty big difference between Westjet and Jazz etc.
The 703 operator I had an offer from pays for accomodation for training. Even called me though I politely declined as I'm roughly 10 minutes from the airport.
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