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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by MrTurbine » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:25 am

tps8903 wrote:
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Anybody have insight as to when WJE will turn the training taps back on?
No ground schools for Feb/Mar. Hiring likely to get going again in April.

Last year was 10 pilots every 2 weeks or so. Not sure if that is going to stay the new standard. You can pretty much bank on at least 10 people a month.
You can’t really bank on anything in this day and age. Also, hiring will most probably be for YYZ for the forseaable, since YYC has a good amount of staff for right now. All captain spots for right now for upgrades are only in yyz. If you want yvr or YYC, consider jazz. Their new agreement is pretty decent and a very good long term plan, even if it’s just a stepping stone to AC. If you don’t care about commuting to yyz (we have one of the best commuter policies in North America), consider skipping encore and going straight to mainline. Better pairings, and better pay, and you get to skip the regional turmoil and go straight to a mainline. 💯 times better an option.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by flyingcanuck » Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:42 pm

How come I always here Encore is screaming for pilots, yet they dont have any classes right now?
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Re: Hiring outlook

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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by sstaurus » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:24 am

My best guess is there is a glut of FOs they are waiting to meet the matrix for upgrade. Captains are in short supply and they are the ones flowing to mainline as well. I’m surprised they aren’t hiring more DECs (though maybe there are none left).
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by ZoomZoom147 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:03 am

MrTurbine wrote:
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Lots of growth for YVR planned at AC this year. With your time, look into it. Or mainline WJ. You’ll wait a few years before you can hold YVR base because you’ll be at BOTL.

Good luck.

Lol. A few years. AC will have you YVR within a year. WJ would be easily upwards of a decade.
Lol. Honestly tho, 6 years or so for YVR base as of today for WJ
MrTurbine,

If one were to arrive on the property today for a mainline YYZ position, how long roughly would it take to get to YYC? Any insight is helpful. Thanks,
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by JBI » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:47 am

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MrTurbine,

If one were to arrive on the property today for a mainline YYZ position, how long roughly would it take to get to YYC? Any insight is helpful. Thanks,
The lowest seniority YYC 737 FO is an early 2017 hire. It's very tough to predict how long a new mainline hire could expect to be waiting for YYC at this time. Reducing times is the fact that the 787 growth is starting in YYC, the new flight duty regs and the introduction in reserve for the mainline fleet. On the other hand, there are a significant number of Encore pilots in YYZ who have flowed but want YYC or currently at Encore in YYC and are waiting to flow until they have a better chance of holding YYC. So, generally speaking, they'll have higher seniority on YYC than new OTS mainline pilots.

So, while you have a better chance of getting YYC with WJ over AC (considering AC doesn't have a base), plan on a few years in YYZ.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by ZoomZoom147 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:11 am

JBI wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:47 am
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:03 am

MrTurbine,

If one were to arrive on the property today for a mainline YYZ position, how long roughly would it take to get to YYC? Any insight is helpful. Thanks,
The lowest seniority YYC 737 FO is an early 2017 hire. It's very tough to predict how long a new mainline hire could expect to be waiting for YYC at this time. Reducing times is the fact that the 787 growth is starting in YYC, the new flight duty regs and the introduction in reserve for the mainline fleet. On the other hand, there are a significant number of Encore pilots in YYZ who have flowed but want YYC or currently at Encore in YYC and are waiting to flow until they have a better chance of holding YYC. So, generally speaking, they'll have higher seniority on YYC than new OTS mainline pilots.

So, while you have a better chance of getting YYC with WJ over AC (considering AC doesn't have a base), plan on a few years in YYZ.
Thanks JBI, that was very informative. As someone new to the civilian industry, I'm trying to learn how it works....

Could you please touch on how pairings work. IE: What kind of pairings would be available for WJ mainline, what pairings would be the best to obtain if you were commuting from YYC to YYZ (least amount of commuting per month), and what the likelihood of obtaining those pairings would be? Thanks again!
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Yieldermatik » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:47 pm

If I’m understanding correctly, if someone wants yyz it’s the easiest thing in encore/wj.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by skybaron » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:23 pm

If you want any sort of life outside of work - I would avoid Encore entirely. The guys that left there have ZERO positive things to say about the place. You will be worked to the max almost all the time, and your duty days will almost always be unnecessarily high in hours (not flight time). Encore’s contract is terrible, and judging by their 737 counterpart in their arbitrated outcome, things are likely going to get a lot worse.

Go anywhere but there. 2 cents.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by MrTurbine » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:19 am

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Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:23 pm
If you want any sort of life outside of work - I would avoid Encore entirely. The guys that left there have ZERO positive things to say about the place. You will be worked to the max almost all the time, and your duty days will almost always be unnecessarily high in hours (not flight time). Encore’s contract is terrible, and judging by their 737 counterpart in their arbitrated outcome, things are likely going to get a lot worse.

Go anywhere but there. 2 cents.
Every part of me wants to agree with you, but you are wrong. Schedules have gotten better, overtime is available here and there (little more scarce than last couple of years) meaning we have a good amount of crews, pay is low but you can make it work. As an FO, I was able to make it show around 75 k on my T4, and for a regional, that’s pretty good. As a captain, 6 figures is easy, mind you, I’m in training so that has its perks as well. I used to work hard for my money, not so much anymore. A decent contract is coming, so this place is going to get a little better. Yes, mainline is a ton better for pay and for scheduling. But if you like to fly close to home like me, regional flying can be fun. I’m not going to tell you to stay at Encore forever, it is not jazz, so it is not a long term place. Most of us will go to mainline when the number comes up, for good reason. But while your seniority goes up (one list meetings pending discussion), it’s a fantastic place to earn your stripes, get to know the Westjet family/culture, and sharpen those flying skills. The Q can be a handful to fly most of the time. And yes, I work an average of 14-16 days a month, next month I have 9 flying days.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Yieldermatik » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:11 pm

MrTurbine wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:19 am
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:23 pm
If you want any sort of life outside of work - I would avoid Encore entirely. The guys that left there have ZERO positive things to say about the place. You will be worked to the max almost all the time, and your duty days will almost always be unnecessarily high in hours (not flight time). Encore’s contract is terrible, and judging by their 737 counterpart in their arbitrated outcome, things are likely going to get a lot worse.

Go anywhere but there. 2 cents.
Every part of me wants to agree with you, but you are wrong. Schedules have gotten better, overtime is available here and there (little more scarce than last couple of years) meaning we have a good amount of crews, pay is low but you can make it work. As an FO, I was able to make it show around 75 k on my T4, and for a regional, that’s pretty good. As a captain, 6 figures is easy, mind you, I’m in training so that has its perks as well. I used to work hard for my money, not so much anymore. A decent contract is coming, so this place is going to get a little better. Yes, mainline is a ton better for pay and for scheduling. But if you like to fly close to home like me, regional flying can be fun. I’m not going to tell you to stay at Encore forever, it is not jazz, so it is not a long term place. Most of us will go to mainline when the number comes up, for good reason. But while your seniority goes up (one list meetings pending discussion), it’s a fantastic place to earn your stripes, get to know the Westjet family/culture, and sharpen those flying skills. The Q can be a handful to fly most of the time. And yes, I work an average of 14-16 days a month, next month I have 9 flying days.
75k on your T4 as an FO? I would love to learn how you got there. Totally genuine question as I’d love to work up to that range as an FO too.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by MrTurbine » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:22 pm

Yieldermatik wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:11 pm
MrTurbine wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:19 am
skybaron wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:23 pm
If you want any sort of life outside of work - I would avoid Encore entirely. The guys that left there have ZERO positive things to say about the place. You will be worked to the max almost all the time, and your duty days will almost always be unnecessarily high in hours (not flight time). Encore’s contract is terrible, and judging by their 737 counterpart in their arbitrated outcome, things are likely going to get a lot worse.

Go anywhere but there. 2 cents.
Every part of me wants to agree with you, but you are wrong. Schedules have gotten better, overtime is available here and there (little more scarce than last couple of years) meaning we have a good amount of crews, pay is low but you can make it work. As an FO, I was able to make it show around 75 k on my T4, and for a regional, that’s pretty good. As a captain, 6 figures is easy, mind you, I’m in training so that has its perks as well. I used to work hard for my money, not so much anymore. A decent contract is coming, so this place is going to get a little better. Yes, mainline is a ton better for pay and for scheduling. But if you like to fly close to home like me, regional flying can be fun. I’m not going to tell you to stay at Encore forever, it is not jazz, so it is not a long term place. Most of us will go to mainline when the number comes up, for good reason. But while your seniority goes up (one list meetings pending discussion), it’s a fantastic place to earn your stripes, get to know the Westjet family/culture, and sharpen those flying skills. The Q can be a handful to fly most of the time. And yes, I work an average of 14-16 days a month, next month I have 9 flying days.
75k on your T4 as an FO? I would love to learn how you got there. Totally genuine question as I’d love to work up to that range as an FO too.
5 - 6 OT days a month including stand ups and lots of training pay did most of the trick.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Yieldermatik » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:40 pm

MrTurbine wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:22 pm
Yieldermatik wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:11 pm
MrTurbine wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:19 am


Every part of me wants to agree with you, but you are wrong. Schedules have gotten better, overtime is available here and there (little more scarce than last couple of years) meaning we have a good amount of crews, pay is low but you can make it work. As an FO, I was able to make it show around 75 k on my T4, and for a regional, that’s pretty good. As a captain, 6 figures is easy, mind you, I’m in training so that has its perks as well. I used to work hard for my money, not so much anymore. A decent contract is coming, so this place is going to get a little better. Yes, mainline is a ton better for pay and for scheduling. But if you like to fly close to home like me, regional flying can be fun. I’m not going to tell you to stay at Encore forever, it is not jazz, so it is not a long term place. Most of us will go to mainline when the number comes up, for good reason. But while your seniority goes up (one list meetings pending discussion), it’s a fantastic place to earn your stripes, get to know the Westjet family/culture, and sharpen those flying skills. The Q can be a handful to fly most of the time. And yes, I work an average of 14-16 days a month, next month I have 9 flying days.
75k on your T4 as an FO? I would love to learn how you got there. Totally genuine question as I’d love to work up to that range as an FO too.
5 - 6 OT days a month including stand ups and lots of training pay did most of the trick.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by smooth » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:11 pm

I did my interview with Encore Jan 31. Got a email for back ground check on Feb 12, reference called on same day. Nothing after that and still waiting. Am I being placed in pool as well? or just too busy to reply me??
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Anyone recieved any answers from encore yet?
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by BE02 Driver » Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:35 pm

skybaron wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:23 pm
If you want any sort of life outside of work - I would avoid Encore entirely. The guys that left there have ZERO positive things to say about the place. You will be worked to the max almost all the time, and your duty days will almost always be unnecessarily high in hours (not flight time). Encore’s contract is terrible, and judging by their 737 counterpart in their arbitrated outcome, things are likely going to get a lot worse.

Go anywhere but there. 2 cents.
Disagree. Anyone that has zero good things to say about Encore is the type of person that has zero good things to say about any job.

I second Mr. Turbines reply. It's generally a good and FUN place to work. Not a career stop, if you want a regional career Jazz is the place. If you want to flow to mainline with no hassle or interview then go to Encore.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by yvrpilot82 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:38 pm

As an Encore pilot I'd say Jazz is the way to go. It seems like it's a lot easier now to get over to AC from there, unless you mess up the interview.
Yes, Encore has guaranteed flow and (at the moment anyway) the "one list" for seniority. But please think about how long you'll be spending at Encore. It's not the 3 years to flow as it used to be in days gone by. With close to 600 pilots, and flow being 50-75 on a good year...well, do the math. Would you spend that long at Jazz? Who, it must be said have far better working conditions. I'm not expecting many improvements on our long-awaited contract. My prediction is just basic industry standard duty rigs and holding onto the one-list.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Yieldermatik » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:09 pm

yvrpilot82 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:38 pm
As an Encore pilot I'd say Jazz is the way to go. It seems like it's a lot easier now to get over to AC from there, unless you mess up the interview.
Yes, Encore has guaranteed flow and (at the moment anyway) the "one list" for seniority. But please think about how long you'll be spending at Encore. It's not the 3 years to flow as it used to be in days gone by. With close to 600 pilots, and flow being 50-75 on a good year...well, do the math. Would you spend that long at Jazz? Who, it must be said have far better working conditions. I'm not expecting many improvements on our long-awaited contract. My prediction is just basic industry standard duty rigs and holding onto the one-list.
So a new encore pilot would take roughly 10 years to flow? That sounds unreasonable.
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Re: Hiring outlook

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BE02 Driver wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:35 pm
skybaron wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:23 pm
If you want any sort of life outside of work - I would avoid Encore entirely. The guys that left there have ZERO positive things to say about the place. You will be worked to the max almost all the time, and your duty days will almost always be unnecessarily high in hours (not flight time). Encore’s contract is terrible, and judging by their 737 counterpart in their arbitrated outcome, things are likely going to get a lot worse.

Go anywhere but there. 2 cents.
Disagree. Anyone that has zero good things to say about Encore is the type of person that has zero good things to say about any job.

I second Mr. Turbines reply. It's generally a good and FUN place to work. Not a career stop, if you want a regional career Jazz is the place. If you want to flow to mainline with no hassle or interview then go to Encore.
Wrong. After you’ve injected every orfice of koolaid and there’s nothing left but the realization you’ve been screwed by a Smurf, then, give your honest opinion. The morale at WJ is at its worst because of management capitalizing on attitudes like “its okay, because this is a stepping stone, and is way better than the 703 spot I came from”. Enter low wages and max days here. Don’t worry, you’ll get to be an FO at Teal for infinity, or you can upgrade at Pink, “because it’s better than the Q I flew at Encore”. Give your head a shake.

If you’re going to take a beating (because you certainly will) in Canada’s aviation industry, then at the very least, roll with the punches that you know you can take to still be standing in the 12th round.

Anyone under 40, I would skip the Circus that is now WJ Holdings, and DTO Air Canada as fast as possible via Jazz. You’re pension alone can’t be beat, and seniority means everything.
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Post by FlyAlberta » Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:00 pm

Christ... Everything ok man? Someone is salty about life. You obviously don’t have first hand info about CURRENT Encore so why waste time and stress over bashing it. I agree. If you want to go to AC, go to Jazz. End of story. You shouldn’t go to Encore if you don’t want to end up at WJ mainline. Simple really.


As an aside. Most airlines have solid Pilot Assistance Teams on call 24/7 to help if you’re going through a rough patch and are great people to talk to
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by skybaron » Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:21 am

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Christ... Everything ok man? Someone is salty about life. You obviously don’t have first hand info about CURRENT Encore so why waste time and stress over bashing it. I agree. If you want to go to AC, go to Jazz. End of story. You shouldn’t go to Encore if you don’t want to end up at WJ mainline. Simple really.


As an aside. Most airlines have solid Pilot Assistance Teams on call 24/7 to help if you’re going through a rough patch and are great people to talk to
You mean the members that left for AC? :lol:
Or how about contacting the 1 or maybe tops 2 Encore people with their CV’s submitted elsewhere for CURRENT status update.

Look, I don’t care either way. All I’m saying is that Teal culture went south (deny all you want),and it isn’t the place it used to be. If someone is going to invest time to build their career, then they may as well invest it where it will likely last and be rewarding.

If the OP has the option, go to Jazz.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Yieldermatik » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:14 am

skybaron wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:21 am
FlyAlberta wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:00 pm
Christ... Everything ok man? Someone is salty about life. You obviously don’t have first hand info about CURRENT Encore so why waste time and stress over bashing it. I agree. If you want to go to AC, go to Jazz. End of story. You shouldn’t go to Encore if you don’t want to end up at WJ mainline. Simple really.


As an aside. Most airlines have solid Pilot Assistance Teams on call 24/7 to help if you’re going through a rough patch and are great people to talk to
You mean the members that left for AC? :lol:
Or how about contacting the 1 or maybe tops 2 Encore people with their CV’s submitted elsewhere for CURRENT status update.

Look, I don’t care either way. All I’m saying is that Teal culture went south (deny all you want),and it isn’t the place it used to be. If someone is going to invest time to build their career, then they may as well invest it where it will likely last and be rewarding.

If the OP has the option, go to Jazz.
What I see wrong is to dismiss a whole company cause of rough times, which every company goes through. Westjet will get ahead and better times will come. You can’t jump ship or not look their way cause of current labour issues. It will get better and people will still have meaningul careers at the company. No “koolaid” here, just being an adult with a positive attitude, not an adult-sized child whinning and running at the first sign of a challenge. Pilots are supposed to be composed, risilient individuals. I don’t see that a whole lot in these forums.

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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Hangry » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:05 am

Most pilots final goal is mainline. Any Encore hopeful needs to be realistic.

How long until Regional left seat.

How long until YYC based right seat mainline. (Assuming your looking for that cause why else would you even be considering encore)

How long until Left seat Mainline.

How long until top scale left seat Mainline at desired base.

If you’re not seriously considering these questions you’re being foolish. Yes Encore will get you an “airline” job but that glow will wear off VERY quickly.

Never mind what Swoop has done to impact all of these factors.

Airlines are about earnings and progression. One day you’ll wake up and realize it’s just a job. When that happenes make sure it’s at least worth your while.

It’s not even about “culture”. Be realistic.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Freeport_Flyer » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:30 am

smooth wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:11 pm
I did my interview with Encore Jan 31. Got a email for back ground check on Feb 12, reference called on same day. Nothing after that and still waiting. Am I being placed in pool as well? or just too busy to reply me??
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:49 pm
Anyone recieved any answers from encore yet?
I'm at the same point as you. Maybe the hiring person is on vacation?
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Gonzodriver » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:41 am

Freeport_Flyer wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:30 am
smooth wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:11 pm
I did my interview with Encore Jan 31. Got a email for back ground check on Feb 12, reference called on same day. Nothing after that and still waiting. Am I being placed in pool as well? or just too busy to reply me??
flycomercial wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:49 pm
Anyone recieved any answers from encore yet?
I'm at the same point as you. Maybe the hiring person is on vacation?
Any news on upcoming ground schools?

guy i know was told they would love to offer him a job as an FO starting in April, that was back in December and its been radio silence ever since. Just wondering if anyone has any inside info on when they will start running classes again?
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