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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by JBI » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:18 pm

Hangry wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:52 am

I can count on two hands the # of pilots who have ever left AC for WJ.
That's well done! Counting using both hands is a very good skill and I hope you'll soon progress to being able to simply count in your head without having to use your hands! I perhaps wouldn't be bragging about it on the internet, but you know, kids these days... :lol:

(sorry, I usually try to avoid ad hominem comments, but that one was too easy!)

As for the actual topic of the post, the plan is an Encore GS near the end of April. There have also been a few incidents of folks applying for Encore, but then getting asked if they'd be interested in mainline. So while things are not moving as quickly as last year, they are moving.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Yieldermatik » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:58 pm

JBI wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:18 pm
Hangry wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:52 am

I can count on two hands the # of pilots who have ever left AC for WJ.
That's well done! Counting using both hands is a very good skill and I hope you'll soon progress to being able to simply count in your head without having to use your hands! I perhaps wouldn't be bragging about it on the internet, but you know, kids these days... :lol:

(sorry, I usually try to avoid ad hominem comments, but that one was too easy!)

As for the actual topic of the post, the plan is an Encore GS near the end of April. There have also been a few incidents of folks applying for Encore, but then getting asked if they'd be interested in mainline. So while things are not moving as quickly as last year, they are moving.
Some people have said that a gs would indeed happen around april/may. Have these calls gone out though to the succesfull candidates? If not then roughly when should they be going out? Thanks.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by tps8903 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:06 pm

doiwannabeapilot wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:14 pm
tps8903 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:53 pm
yvrpilot82 wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:49 am
How do you figure 5 years to flow to mainline? 600 pilots at Encore. That would involve Encore flowing 120 a year. At the current 50% flow that means WJ would have to hire 240 pilots a year for the next 5 years.
I'm not trying to sound pessimistic, but I don't think that type of growth is on the horizon.
Hiring is starting again in April. I asked management for a friend who is waiting.

Current flow as of last week is 3 years and 1 month.

I have been keeping tabs on attrition at Encore by crossing names of the list at Encore as the lists are updated and comparing it with flow. As it stands the list moves 15 names a month between flow to Encore, Swoop, other airlines and differing bids. Granted any and all of those deferred folks could Flow at any point slowing the list down.

Using the ACTUAL numbers and not taking into account growth, the current flow time for a new hire will be approximately 2 years and 11 months by time their number is called for mainline. Its a one year wait for Swoop (internal rule) if you should want to work there. In reality the Encore list will be exhausted for Swoop flow by the next bid which means you can go as soon as the company lets you.

Economies change however, but in the last year those are the numbers.
I think the 5+ years flow is more realistic. 80 pilots flowed in 2017. I believe it was less in 2018. It will likely be the same or less in 2019.
I would go with 70 pilots per year.....equals well over 5 years.
As the previous poster said you should thank your lucky stars to be rhs in a Q400 with 1000 hours. And still thankful to flow in the 5-8 years.
Your math is wanting.

Flow Speed = Flow + Deferrals + Resignations.

The second two make up for more that just Flow.

If it was just Flow then yeah, it would take forever. But people leave Encore, and believe it or not a lot of people choose to stay when they can flow.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Yieldermatik » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:14 pm

tps8903 wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:06 pm
doiwannabeapilot wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:14 pm
tps8903 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:53 pm


Hiring is starting again in April. I asked management for a friend who is waiting.

Current flow as of last week is 3 years and 1 month.

I have been keeping tabs on attrition at Encore by crossing names of the list at Encore as the lists are updated and comparing it with flow. As it stands the list moves 15 names a month between flow to Encore, Swoop, other airlines and differing bids. Granted any and all of those deferred folks could Flow at any point slowing the list down.

Using the ACTUAL numbers and not taking into account growth, the current flow time for a new hire will be approximately 2 years and 11 months by time their number is called for mainline. Its a one year wait for Swoop (internal rule) if you should want to work there. In reality the Encore list will be exhausted for Swoop flow by the next bid which means you can go as soon as the company lets you.

Economies change however, but in the last year those are the numbers.
I think the 5+ years flow is more realistic. 80 pilots flowed in 2017. I believe it was less in 2018. It will likely be the same or less in 2019.
I would go with 70 pilots per year.....equals well over 5 years.
As the previous poster said you should thank your lucky stars to be rhs in a Q400 with 1000 hours. And still thankful to flow in the 5-8 years.
Your math is wanting.

Flow Speed = Flow + Deferrals + Resignations.

The second two make up for more that just Flow.

If it was just Flow then yeah, it would take forever. But people leave Encore, and believe it or not a lot of people choose to stay when they can flow.

“A lot of people choose to stay when they can flow.” Is this cause of the regional lifestyle? I keep hearing encore is not a career airline unlike Jazz. Is this cause the benefits are not as good as mainline or what? Curious to get the feedback. Thanks.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by tps8903 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:23 pm

Yieldermatik wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:14 pm
tps8903 wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:06 pm
doiwannabeapilot wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:14 pm


I think the 5+ years flow is more realistic. 80 pilots flowed in 2017. I believe it was less in 2018. It will likely be the same or less in 2019.
I would go with 70 pilots per year.....equals well over 5 years.
As the previous poster said you should thank your lucky stars to be rhs in a Q400 with 1000 hours. And still thankful to flow in the 5-8 years.
Your math is wanting.

Flow Speed = Flow + Deferrals + Resignations.

The second two make up for more that just Flow.

If it was just Flow then yeah, it would take forever. But people leave Encore, and believe it or not a lot of people choose to stay when they can flow.

“A lot of people choose to stay when they can flow.” Is this cause of the regional lifestyle? I keep hearing encore is not a career airline unlike Jazz. Is this cause the benefits are not as good as mainline or what? Curious to get the feedback. Thanks.
Some possibly don't want to take a pay cut. Some earn pretty good money in the training department and are happy with their lifestyle where they live. Some might be waiting for something better to come along, ie have iron in the fire at other carriers. Some were waiting to see how the contract at Mainline panned out. Just some of the reasons I've heard. Each to their own. I'm sure others have different reasons. There are people here are genuinely content with the money they earn and the way their life is set up. Each to their own.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Yieldermatik » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:47 pm

tps8903 wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:23 pm
Yieldermatik wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:14 pm
tps8903 wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:06 pm


Your math is wanting.

Flow Speed = Flow + Deferrals + Resignations.

The second two make up for more that just Flow.

If it was just Flow then yeah, it would take forever. But people leave Encore, and believe it or not a lot of people choose to stay when they can flow.

“A lot of people choose to stay when they can flow.” Is this cause of the regional lifestyle? I keep hearing encore is not a career airline unlike Jazz. Is this cause the benefits are not as good as mainline or what? Curious to get the feedback. Thanks.
Some possibly don't want to take a pay cut. Some earn pretty good money in the training department and are happy with their lifestyle where they live. Some might be waiting for something better to come along, ie have iron in the fire at other carriers. Some were waiting to see how the contract at Mainline panned out. Just some of the reasons I've heard. Each to their own. I'm sure others have different reasons. There are people here are genuinely content with the money they earn and the way their life is set up. Each to their own.
Thanks 👍🏻
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by doiwannabeapilot » Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:52 pm

Yieldermatik wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:14 pm
tps8903 wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:06 pm
doiwannabeapilot wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:14 pm


I think the 5+ years flow is more realistic. 80 pilots flowed in 2017. I believe it was less in 2018. It will likely be the same or less in 2019.
I would go with 70 pilots per year.....equals well over 5 years.
As the previous poster said you should thank your lucky stars to be rhs in a Q400 with 1000 hours. And still thankful to flow in the 5-8 years.
Your math is wanting.

Flow Speed = Flow + Deferrals + Resignations.

The second two make up for more that just Flow.

If it was just Flow then yeah, it would take forever. But people leave Encore, and believe it or not a lot of people choose to stay when they can flow.

“A lot of people choose to stay when they can flow.” Is this cause of the regional lifestyle? I keep hearing encore is not a career airline unlike Jazz. Is this cause the benefits are not as good as mainline or what? Curious to get the feedback. Thanks.
18 days per month, 12 hour duty days, grooming......regional lifestyle is the best ! who would want to flow !
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by tbayav8er » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:04 pm

18 days/month? Granted, I have had months where I worked 18 days, this doesn't seem to be the norm anymore (at least out of YYC base for FO's). According to our scheduling statistics, the most days scheduled for an FO in April was 16 days (in YYC). I'm scheduled for 16 days in April myself...Also, if you're a Captain in the training department and you live at your base city, you can be home most nights, make some extra money etc. It's also been a while since I've had a 12 hr day. Maybe I'm just lucky with my schedule. The vast majority of my days are about 8-9 hrs duty....I've noticed the pairings becoming more efficient compared to when I first started about a year and a half ago. Is it perfect? No....But it seems to be getting a little better. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by sstaurus » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:14 pm

The FOs might be on easy-street right now, but the CAs are ridden hard and put away wet.

And "a lot defer flow" is a hell of a stretch. A few involved in training at the most.

Also:
JBI wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:18 pm
There have also been a few incidents of folks applying for Encore, but then getting asked if they'd be interested in mainline.
If that's actually happening, this bizarro world is too much for me :rolleyes:
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Citationdriver » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:25 pm

Any word on Encore hiring or interview calls from time when résumé submitted? Are they interviewing? Is there ground schools scheduled? I know know they are interviewing for mainline but strictly YYZ base and Swoop.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by Yieldermatik » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:50 am

Citationdriver wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:25 pm
Any word on Encore hiring or interview calls from time when résumé submitted? Are they interviewing? Is there ground schools scheduled? I know know they are interviewing for mainline but strictly YYZ base and Swoop.
Some people have said they’ve gotten calls for interviews days after applying. They are actively interviewing as a friend of mine just got flown to Calgary a few days ago. They told him they have ground schools in May and June and that both bases are open, Calgary and Toronto. I wonder what sort of changes will come about with the new agreement.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by DaveP » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:15 pm

Hi guys!
Courses are ongoing and simulator availability is a bottle neck for us. With that - interviews are ongoing and we are filling the courses monthly.

Very happy for the folks at Encore with the new agreement! Today was the first road show!

Awesome news in there with regards to flow (60%)
And some other nuggets by way of no pay cut when you flow to WestJet!

Very cool.
Congratulations! Over to the pilot group now - and see how the vote goes!
Happy for you guys.
Dave
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by InSanes » Tue May 14, 2019 9:34 pm

DaveP wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:15 pm
Hi guys!
Courses are ongoing and simulator availability is a bottle neck for us. With that - interviews are ongoing and we are filling the courses monthly.

Very happy for the folks at Encore with the new agreement! Today was the first road show!

Awesome news in there with regards to flow (60%)
And some other nuggets by way of no pay cut when you flow to WestJet!

Very cool.
Congratulations! Over to the pilot group now - and see how the vote goes!
Happy for you guys.
Dave
flow minimum at 50%, and the company has been flowing the minimum.
no one list anymore.
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Re: Hiring outlook

Post by YYZGDP » Wed May 15, 2019 4:57 am

Hiring outlook = go look somewhere else guys. There will be plenty of availability at Encore, but the one list is gone, and so is the morale.
May as well be a separate company. Oh wait.. it always was.
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