Rezy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:39 pm
The best path forward is having one door into WJ group and that is Encore FO after that, let people build their own path through Encore, Swoop, and WJ. Which would then be a true job market competitor with AC. And by that I mean that you can fly long haul, trans border, trans Atlantic or even regional, or... no reserve -something that WJ currently doesn’t offer!
The best way to accomplish one door into WJ is YOS to Encore pilots.
Although Swoop and WJ are one bargaining unit they are still 2 separate companies and WJ will foot the bill for YOS, which was your poor excuse for an explanation.
I would love it if/when all positions at WJ/Swoop/Encore just become position bids with corresponding years of service attached. I actually think that this first CBA with Encore starts down that path. However, your criticisms of DaveP are not justified and your demands are a little out to lunch.
While I know that DaveP is capable of fighting his own battles, he is under NO obligation to provide a detailed analysis of pros and cons of a contract on an internet forum to anonymous internet posters. My understanding is that he had no involvement with the negotiations whatsoever. Because he gave a quick comment re: YOS doesn't mean that this is the sole reason YOS wouldn't work nor is he in any position to need to justify it. In fact, in a unionized environment he's actually very limited to what he can say. It's up to the pilots now. You're welcome to disagree with him, but calling him a hack from an anonymous account is pretty tasteless.
As for your comments on the topics themselves: It's pretty clear that there are distinct differences between WJ/Swoop and Encore in how they are represented under the Canada Labour Code that you don't really understand. I am not for a second defending the messy situation that the company has gotten itself into with respect to the corporate structure and heck, even the new executives have stated that the way their predecessors brought in Swoop was a "disaster". But, Swoop getting YOS (as awarded by an arbitrator) is an entirely different situation than Encore getting YOS not only because of corporate structure and representation by a different union, but also the size of the pilot group, the relative seniority of the pilot group, the pay scales and the cost structure of the individual operations. What Encore pilots vs. Swoop pilots have done for the company has little to do with the reality of what the company can actually afford. Years of Service at Mainline for the Encore Pilots would be roughly the same cost to the company as giving all of them an immediate 75% raise. A 75% raise for 550 pilots is not something ANY airline could reasonably afford.
With respect to flow %'s your arguments simply don't make sense. Again, as an anonymous internet poster you can argue that there should be 98.23% flow and that every Encore pilot should be given a new Tesla when they flow to mainline, but to suggest what DaveP thinks or doesn't think is pretty silly. The flow LOU is actually quite detailed and has been provided to the Encore pilots. Again, there are pros and cons to it. I think it's actually pretty amazing. It guarantees a good rate of flow, incentivizes the company to keep the rate higher, but does provide them flexibility in times of a slowdown. I'll be the first to admit things are not perfect and previously I had concerns that new hires at Encore had an unrealistic view of how quick flow would be, but I will give credit to the company for keeping flow moving well even at times when Encore is slightly short on Captains. Even though right now the Maxs are grounded all the recent ground schools at WJ have been 50% or more from Encore.
Whether this will make Encore a better option than an AC Express carrier really depends. I honestly believe that now Encore could be the best option for some, but Jazz, Porter or other regionals will still be the best option for others.
