AC and TRZ Agree to Terminate Arrangement

[speedah]

Anyone who even considers giving up scope to protect "their airplane" should be dragged out back and beaten.

All the widebody captains are out to lunch thinking they are at risk... I highly doubt any 777 787 or a330 capt is going to lose their seat if they went DOH... they are all under 1000 seniority. The Transat list is not that senior, maybe a few guys would slot in, if that.

If people are willing to give up scope... flat pay will look like a dream.

[ahramin]

Flat pay? At AC? Is this being considered? The current collective agreement is about as far from flat pay as you can get. Was flat pay discussed during the last negotiations?

[indieadventurer]

Flat pay? At AC? Is this being considered? The current collective agreement is about as far from flat pay as you can get. Was flat pay discussed during the last negotiations?

Think he’s talking about the first 4 years of “flat pay” vs formula pay after that, not status pay.

[ahramin]

Ah of course. Sorry.

[Duke Point]

Anyone who even considers giving up scope to protect "their airplane" should be dragged out back and beaten.

All the widebody captains are out to lunch thinking they are at risk... I highly doubt any 777 787 or a330 capt is going to lose their seat if they went DOH... they are all under 1000 seniority. The Transat list is not that senior, maybe a few guys would slot in, if that.

If people are willing to give up scope... flat pay will look like a dream.

No new list will see a DOH Transat merge.

Air Canada doesn't use DOH, so I don't think they would change the rules and accommodate a DOH merger from a Transat. DOH is a non-starter under any circumstance, so talking about it, or considering it is pointless.

It will be interesting to see where the Number 1 Transat pilot does slot in. That will determine where the ratio blending will begin. My bet is that #1 at Transat will be somewhere around the 700-800 mark, so as not to jump the wide-body cue too badly. Being number one doesn't mean they are immediately entitled to a cherry 777 blockholder position.

DP.

[FL-280]

4501 would be nice.....
Thats the same as saying doh is fair but from an AC point of view....

[ahramin]

FL-280 it seems to me that your only interest here lies in a pissing match rather than a discussion of the issues. I bid you a good day sir.

To my Transat colleagues, don't feed the troll. Autrement dit ne vous obstinez pas avec un enfant. Nous avons beaucoup de points a discuter. BOTL n'est pas un de ces points. Ne gaspillez pas votre temps.

[FL-280]

it was a reply to suggesting doh is an option, mon ami....
by the the way, the acpa collective agreement suggests botl, let that sink in a bit. You are taking for granted we would let that go, this is a buyout....
Anyone hired in the last 5 years at ts should slot at the bottom, and you know what? You are winning the lottery.

[Hangry]

FL-280 it seems to me that your only interest here lies in a pissing match rather than a discussion of the issues. I bid you a good day sir.

To my Transat colleagues, don't feed the troll. Autrement dit ne vous obstinez pas avec un enfant. Nous avons beaucoup de points a discuter. BOTL n'est pas un de ces points. Ne gaspillez pas votre temps.

I know a few English only speaking TS pilots.

[Daniel Cooper]

That must be rough.

[DanWEC]

4501 would be nice.....

I couldn't imagine wishing things like that on my colleagues at any airline.

You must have some serious personal issues you should probably step back and address. Troll feeding out.

[FL320]

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[rudder]

You all need to take a look at last decade of arbitrated seniority integrations south of the border. UA/CO. DL/NW. AA/US. And even AS/VX. These will give you a flavour of the value and result of many of the arguments being made in this thread.

And as for Rouge, it is a paint job. Nothing more. A seniority integration arbitration is not a scope arbitration. The arbitrator(s) will generate a list and mobility restrictions (if applicable). That is the extent of their jurisdiction.

[Jean-Pierre]

Is there any American example of a flag carrier buying a low wage vacation LCC?

[rudder]

Is there any American example of a flag carrier buying a low wage vacation LCC?

Take a look at the AS/VX award and reasons.

[FL-280]

I am sorry but Alaska isn't a legacy carrier, nor is it a flag carrier.... You can look to the US, but we could also look to Europe where the integration would be much more brutal.

[rudder]

I am sorry but Alaska isn't a legacy carrier, nor is it a flag carrier.... You can look to the US, but we could also look to Europe where the integration would be much more brutal.

Stop worrying about labels. That is part of a self serving argument. Arbitrators have shown little sympathy for that.

Instead, look at the underlying facts (fleet/demographic/compensation/progression).

AS/VX is probably more guiding for AC/TS than any of the others (AA/US excepted).

[FL-280]

Give me a break rudder.... aviation is all about labels. From the moment you put your hat on (which is labelled) and walk into the airport.

[indieadventurer]

Come on man, grow up and try to be a professional. Our licences are all issued by TC, not the airlines we work for. We’re all pilots who happen to work for different companies because of circumstances and/or opportunities in our lives. Assigning labels and living by them only hurts us all collectively.

[FL-280]

Not saying I like it.... but its the cold harsh reality that we face.